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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 21 Nov 17 4.10pm

Originally posted by johnfirewall

Sorry to make sweeping generalisations, not about the racist morons who keep me away from FLA, but of the people who join left-wing groups with no compunctions over the subsequent allegiance with anti-semites. And those are the more moderate organisations such as the Labour Party.

That's complete ass hat. I'm sure the last Labour leader was born to Polish / Jewish immigrants. If Labour are anti Semitic (which they are not) why have him as leader.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 21 Nov 17 4.15pm

Originally posted by danny choo choo

dear Mrs May

After the dreadful attack on London bridge you quite rightly identified “The evil ideology of Islamist extremism that preaches hatred and division” we believe this is the main cause of the breakdown of community cohesion in the UK today, if this is dealt with other forms of extremism will lose their raison d’être.
As you said in your statement “Enough is enough” we echo that and say never again, we agree that there is no acceptable level of Jihadist terror.
We humbly ask that you consider the following proposals as part of the solution to the problem.
1. High treason charges for returning or returned Jihadists
In 2014 the then Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond revealed that the British Government was considering high treason charges for Islamist extremists in response to the growing numbers of British Jihad fighters travelling to Syria and Iraq to join the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, now these terrorists are returning we request that HMG charge all returning terrorists with high treason and arrest and charge all returned Jihadists with high treason.
2. Temporary detention of Terror suspects and deportation of non-UK nationals
We request that the 3000 active Jihadists that the security services tell us pose an immediate threat to our people are detained in secure accommodation away from the normal prison population if they are UK subjects, if the suspects are foreign nationals we request they are deported to their country of origin with immediate effect.
3. Transparency relating to the funding of extremism
We request that HMG publishes all information relating to the funding and organization of Islamist organizations in the UK, nonviolent Islamist groups pose a long-term threat to the political and social cohesion of the UK, the public should be fully informed about who supports these groups and the threat they pose to the good governance of the UK.
4. Action against Islamist political groups
Groups who through the legitimate political process are seeking to institute Sharia law in the UK and who have as a goal the establishment of a global caliphate must be challenged by Govt and civil society, the public must be made aware of groups who aim to institute sharia law in the UK. We are also deeply disturbed by the close relationship some MPs seem to have forged with Islamist groups and apologists for Jihad this gives credibility to the terror groups and is a threat to national security.

5. Action against extremist Islamist preachers
We are also extremely concerned about preaching in certain extremist Mosques which incites hatred and violence against Jews, Homosexuals, Christians and other non-Muslim groups, with calls for the murder of “apostates”, “blasphemers” and the“Kafir” these preachers must be investigated for incitement to violence, we are also aware of the fine line between freedom of speech and religion and would ask that action is only taken when violence is incited.
6. Freedom of speech and religion for critics of Islamic theology, ideology and history
The veiled threats from Islamist “human rights” and lobbying groups towards people they consider apostates or blasphemers or “Islamophobes” must stop, these threats are particularly sinister, the Islamist groups use the cover accusation of racism or Islamophobia to silence intellectuals, commentators and ex Muslims who critique the ideology and theology of Islam based on the source texts and history of the faith. No ideology or religion is above critical examination to allow the silencing of critics of classical Islam undermines the fundamental right to freedom of speech and religion, it also undermines the battle against Jihadist ideology and theology.
7. Protection of our Muslim neighbours
The vast majority of our Muslim neighbours are not engaged in terrorism and must be protected from violent attacks from the far right and the ravages of Islamic extremism. They must be set free from the oppression and intimidation of radical groups that seek to control them. We are extremely worried about the oppression of women in Islamic communities and we are also concerned that minorities in Islamic communities are being targeted by extremists whether they be ex Muslims, progressives or small sects like the Ahmadiyya.
We would also call for protection and support for progressive reformist Muslims like the brave men at the Quilliam foundation.
We condemn all violence against Muslims by extreme right-wing groups and lone wolf attackers, the rule of law must always be respected and adhered to, we commit to love our Muslim neighbours as ourselves and to protect them from violence as we would any other British citizen.
8. Increased funding of the intelligence agencies and establishment of QRFs in all UK counties.
We ask that government would exempt the security apparatus from any financial cuts and increase the numbers of operatives that are needed to carry out surveillance on suspects, also we call on HMG to establish QRFs in all cities and counties throughout the UK to deal rapidly with major terror attacks.
We are totally committed to the rule of law and offer our total support to the security forces, security services and police, we are committed to helping on a voluntary basis in any way we can, we want to see the scourge of terrorism in all its forms and in all parts of the UK permanently eradicated.

Needs a bit of sub editing. Point one asks for returnees be tried for treason on 3 occasions. Brevity needed.

When they say certain mosques it's a bit vague, is that a ploy to make people think it could be their local mosque. Name and shame the ones preaching hate. Let the authorities deal with them.

Being that the FLA are against ALL extremism, it does seem a bit islamcentric.

I still can't get my head around internment without trial, who will be next, animal rights campaigners?

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset

Being that the FLA are against ALL extremism, it does seem a bit islamcentric.

The statistics on attacks and deaths demand that it's islamcentric.

We could also focus on the communists and fifth columnists but we just haven't got enough money for that.

 


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Originally posted by nickgusset

Needs a bit of sub editing. Point one asks for returnees be tried for treason on 3 occasions. Brevity needed.

When they say certain mosques it's a bit vague, is that a ploy to make people think it could be their local mosque. Name and shame the ones preaching hate. Let the authorities deal with them.

Being that the FLA are against ALL extremism, it does seem a bit islamcentric.

I still can't get my head around internment without trial, who will be next, animal rights campaigners?

Why are they a danger to any of my grandchildren going to a concert and being blown to pieces.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 21 Nov 17 5.06pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Why are they a danger to any of my grandchildren going to a concert and being blown to pieces.

I don't know. Why are they a danger to any of your grandchildren going to a concert and being blown to pieces?

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 21 Nov 17 5.20pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Why are they a danger to any of my grandchildren going to a concert and being blown to pieces.

Does internment without trial not bother you?
That great staple of the judicial system, one of the things that makes this nation great. One of the things that make me proud of my country.
It's strange how so called patriots want to rid us of this basic human right. It's a slippery slope I tells ya.

What are the statistical odds of being blown up at a concert?

 

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View elgrande's Profile elgrande Flag bedford 21 Nov 17 5.34pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Does internment without trial not bother you?
That great staple of the judicial system, one of the things that makes this nation great. One of the things that make me proud of my country.
It's strange how so called patriots want to rid us of this basic human right. It's a slippery slope I tells ya.

What are the statistical odds of being blown up at a concert?

A lot greater now than it ever has been,so you think its fine that you have upwards of 3000 know jihadists walking about here then...without a f***ing clue what they are going to do next.
So yes I would be in favournof internment...what about the basic human rights of theb people on Westminster bridge manchester arena or london bridge,do thier human rights not count.
Kids went to a concert to see onenof thier favourites and never came home.....just let thst sink in.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 21 Nov 17 5.44pm

Originally posted by elgrande

A lot greater now than it ever has been,so you think its fine that you have upwards of 3000 know jihadists walking about here then...without a f***ing clue what they are going to do next.
So yes I would be in favournof internment...what about the basic human rights of theb people on Westminster bridge manchester arena or london bridge,do thier human rights not count.
Kids went to a concert to see onenof thier favourites and never came home.....just let thst sink in.


I have let it sink in. It's horrific. But I also have a bit of perspective. As heinous as the crime is, the chance of it happening to you are tiny. In more worried about people trying to sow division and promote racism making our society more and more polarised than I am of being a victim of a terrorist attack.

Stripping our laws of basic human rights is a no no. It's a slippery slope. Should known far right activists also be interred without trial? There have been cases of far right terrorism carried out and instances of attacks being prevented.
Once we start to jail Muslims and far right people even though they haven't commited a crime, does it stop there. Those union trouble makers? Activists?


 

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Originally posted by nickgusset


I have let it sink in. It's horrific. But I also have a bit of perspective. As heinous as the crime is, the chance of it happening to you are tiny. In more worried about people trying to sow division and promote racism making our society more and more polarised than I am of being a victim of a terrorist attack.

Stripping our laws of basic human rights is a no no. It's a slippery slope. Should known far right activists also be interred without trial? There have been cases of far right terrorism carried out and instances of attacks being prevented.
Once we start to jail Muslims and far right people even though they haven't commited a crime, does it stop there. Those union trouble makers? Activists?


Jo cox was murdered by a f***ing idiot with far right connections,very true.

What is it that makes you think we should be more worried about far right groups than jihadists.
How many people have been killed by far right groups in this country,and how many people have been killed by muslim jihadists in this country.
How many far right groups are being monitered by the security services...we know at least 20,000 possible jihadists are on the watch list.
And to answer your question if the far right goups are planning to kill innocent people...then yes intern them.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 21 Nov 17 6.01pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Jo cox was murdered by a f***ing idiot with far right connections,very true.

What is it that makes you think we should be more worried about far right groups than jihadists.
How many people have been killed by far right groups in this country,and how many people have been killed by muslim jihadists in this country.
How many far right groups are being monitered by the security services...we know at least 20,000 possible jihadists are on the watch list.
And to answer your question if the far right goups are planning to kill innocent people...then yes intern them.

Terrorism does worry me. But not very much really. It disgusts me, but it doesn't affect my day to day life.
Far right / jihadi. Both as bad as each other.
What does affect my daily life is that the UK appears to be a lot less tolerant, fuelled by the scapegoating bile we see everyday.

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset

Terrorism does worry me. But not very much really. It disgusts me, but it doesn't affect my day to day life.
Far right / jihadi. Both as bad as each other.
What does affect my daily life is that the UK appears to be a lot less tolerant, fuelled by the scapegoating bile we see everyday.

You are sadiq khan and I claim my £10

 


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Originally posted by nickgusset

Terrorism does worry me. But not very much really. It disgusts me, but it doesn't affect my day to day life.
Far right / jihadi. Both as bad as each other.
What does affect my daily life is that the UK appears to be a lot less tolerant, fuelled by the scapegoating bile we see everyday.

Yeah funnily enough probaly because we dont like being blown up.
And personally I think thats a view that suits your agenda,I do not see us as being any less tolerant.
Wevare one of the most accepting countries in the world.

But tolerence can be abused....which is what people are starting to react to.

 


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