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 Stirlingsays  27 Oct 17 6.19am |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
If only men in power operated like Vice President Mike Pence who would never dine with any woman that's not his wife. For some reason, many of the left-wing pundits and media went hysterical over this earlier this year. The BBC website even ran a piece questioning if he was in fact chivalrous or sexist. <sigh> Edited by Penge Eagle (27 Oct 2017 4.52am) I remember that piece, it was ridiculous. Par for the course on the BBC website. Personally if Pence is consensualy f***ing his wife or Bob Dole or both at the same time, I couldn't care less....but we know that in reality that is naivety.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 27 Oct 17 10.40am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I remember that piece, it was ridiculous. Par for the course on the BBC website. Personally if Pence is consensualy f***ing his wife or Bob Dole or both at the same time, I couldn't care less....but we know that in reality that is naivety. I don't think I'd want to know. Just that sentence has caused me to invert....
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 27 Oct 17 10.46am |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
If only men in power operated like Vice President Mike Pence who would never dine with any woman that's not his wife. For some reason, many of the left-wing pundits and media went hysterical over this earlier this year. The BBC website even ran a piece questioning if he was in fact chivalrous or sexist. <sigh> Edited by Penge Eagle (27 Oct 2017 4.52am) There is a middle ground, you realise. Where men just treat women as people. Where they don't demand that they conform or fit to their view of what women should be (objects to control). You know, the way most men seem to manage to interact with women on a daily basis, without committing a sex crime. Personally, I find Pence's views on women abhorrent being that they're part of a religious ideology that's comparable to how women are regarded in many branches of Islam. However, in his defence, I would at least say he's not hypocritical, and seems to apply the same kind of fierce religious nonsense to his own life.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 27 Oct 17 10.48am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I remember that piece, it was ridiculous. Par for the course on the BBC website. Personally if Pence is consensualy f***ing his wife or Bob Dole or both at the same time, I couldn't care less....but we know that in reality that is naivety. Its actually their religious views, its not about politics. Pence is a 'deeply religious man' who's religious views inform his politics. Which I object to, as it breaks the notion of separation of church and state, and is the kind of anti-secular bullsh*t that undermines democratic freedoms.
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Mr Fenandes  27 Oct 17 11.33am |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Another big name in Hollywood gets the Weinstein treatment. [Link] From what is being reported, it looks like another widely known issue that was tolerated in that community. I saw a comment on this that pretty much nailed the problem: "We don't need men to start protecting women; we need men to stop protecting men." I fully expect that we will see a lot more of these. I hope it keeps going until they've outed them all. There is some comfort in the fact that those not yet in the headlines must be s***ting bricks waiting for their turn. It's worth noting though that, while the Academy ejected Weinstein, they still have Cosby, Polanski and Gibson as members.
I have never, ever, ever understood why this prick is allowed to be so revered and have his crimes considered completely differently from other paedophiles. Is it because he makes Oscar-winning films as opposed to singing songs inviting people to be in his gang? Or is it only okay to bum-rape a child as long as you have a sob-story to accompany it?
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| Stirlingsays 27 Oct 17 11.56am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Its actually their religious views, its not about politics. Pence is a 'deeply religious man' who's religious views inform his politics. Which I object to, as it breaks the notion of separation of church and state, and is the kind of anti-secular bullsh*t that undermines democratic freedoms. If you buy into that. 'It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.' Pick and choose religiosity.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 27 Oct 17 12.57pm |
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Originally posted by Mr Fenandes
I have never, ever, ever understood why this prick is allowed to be so revered and have his crimes considered completely differently from other paedophiles. Is it because he makes Oscar-winning films as opposed to singing songs inviting people to be in his gang? Or is it only okay to bum-rape a child as long as you have a sob-story to accompany it? They certainly shouldn't be. He raped and sodomised a 13 year old girl. He did make some great movies, but that shouldn't excuse his culpability in sexual assault of a minor and nor does the murder of his then pregnant wife.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 27 Oct 17 12.58pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
If you buy into that. 'It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.' Pick and choose religiosity. I want a secular state; based on reasoned argument.
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| Stirlingsays 27 Oct 17 1.14pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I want a secular state; based on reasoned argument. Snap. All of our systems need to be structured in such a way that religion and state don't mix. We have some historical legacy elements. In the US, religion is a political football.....politicians pander because they have little other choice....we never get to hear of the ones that didn't.
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| Stuk Top half 27 Oct 17 3.40pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
There is a middle ground, you realise. Where men just treat women as people. Where they don't demand that they conform or fit to their view of what women should be (objects to control). You know, the way most men seem to manage to interact with women on a daily basis, without committing a sex crime. Personally, I find Pence's views on women abhorrent being that they're part of a religious ideology that's comparable to how women are regarded in many branches of Islam. However, in his defence, I would at least say he's not hypocritical, and seems to apply the same kind of fierce religious nonsense to his own life. He does. He's not doing it to prevent his own temptation or because he thinks they'll jump on him, he does it to avoid any risk of salacious rumours or lies about him. He works and interacts just fine with women on a daily basis it would seem, he just has no desire to dine alone with any of them except his wife. They are nigh on inseparable by all accounts anyway. He hasn't made any demands of women, he's made them of himself for his wife. Your comparison to branches of Islam in regard to the treatment of women is well off the mark, IMO.
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| Stirlingsays 27 Oct 17 4.17pm |
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That said, if someone actually is sexually harassing another person then it's karma. We shouldn't have arseholes getting to positions of massive responsibility but it is what it is......money talks. Too much sexual repression within the modern culture. If people aren't breaking laws I'm not that interested personally.
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Ray in Houston  Houston 27 Oct 17 8.38pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
He does. He's not doing it to prevent his own temptation or because he thinks they'll jump on him, he does it to avoid any risk of salacious rumours or lies about him. He works and interacts just fine with women on a daily basis it would seem, he just has no desire to dine alone with any of them except his wife. They are nigh on inseparable by all accounts anyway. He hasn't made any demands of women, he's made them of himself for his wife. Your comparison to branches of Islam in regard to the treatment of women is well off the mark, IMO.
He's not grabbing pussy like his boss, but he's treating women very differently to men. That's dictionary-definition sexism.
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