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View CambridgeEagle's Profile CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 16 Oct 17 4.57pm Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

OK.

How much does the average student repay every month in fees? Do you actually know?

Public sector workers have been capped because they received disproportionately high wage rises under the last stupid overspending Labour government.

Is spending taxpayers money on building council houses so that we can house more immigrants a policy that makes sense to you?
Why not just have fewer immigrants and help the people who already live here?
I know Labour love immigration because immigrants are one section of the population who will vote for them.
Tony Blair knew that.


So nurses, teachers, police etc. are all overpaid in your book?

 

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View Helmet46's Profile Helmet46 Flag Croydon 16 Oct 17 4.59pm Send a Private Message to Helmet46 Add Helmet46 as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Student loans came in early '90s by Major I think.

Labour introduced tuition fees. Labour had a target of 50% into university.

Tories increased the fees to be completely paid by students.

This has got out of control. To think you're only going to pay interest it'll surely put those off going onto less academic courses, causing companies to recruit a level leavers and train them.


I thought the loans were introduced by the Major Govt to be in addition to the maintenance grant to help pay for living expenses.
Did Labour not fully replace the maintenance grants with student loans - as they decided that students should part pay for the cost of university - at the same time they increased fees? That was my recollection, but I stand to be corrected. It was a while ago.
In short it strikes me that both sides are equally as culpable but that, actually, the target of 50% set by Labour (and ratified by later Govts) only really weakened the impact of a degree, and I do personally think that Companies should pay, recruit and train vocationally.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 16 Oct 17 5.00pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle


So nurses, teachers, police etc. are all overpaid in your book?

If they live in Stoke they are. Bourgeoisie in Stoke.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 16 Oct 17 5.03pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Helmet46


I thought the loans were introduced by the Major Govt to be in addition to the maintenance grant to help pay for living expenses.
Did Labour not fully replace the maintenance grants with student loans - as they decided that students should part pay for the cost of university - at the same time they increased fees? That was my recollection, but I stand to be corrected. It was a while ago.
In short it strikes me that both sides are equally as culpable but that, actually, the target of 50% set by Labour (and ratified by later Govts) only really weakened the impact of a degree, and I do personally think that Companies should pay, recruit and train vocationally.

You're correct. That 50% idea was irresponsible. Post Brexit there's going to be shake ups everywhere and adjusting will be crucial.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 16 Oct 17 5.05pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle


So nurses, teachers, police etc. are all overpaid in your book?

Strawman alert.

They were paid a disproportionate amount under the last overspending government. That is one of the reasons why we have had to tighten the belt under this government.

I know you will have some contrived excuse for that but the reality is that you can't spend what you don't have.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 16 Oct 17 5.09pm

Doesn't really matter who 'initially pledges what', what is important is that the right thing gets done.

Problem I have with Labour and the Conservatives, I wouldn't trust either party after the last 27 years to sell me a turd in a bucket, without lying about the bucket.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 16 Oct 17 5.10pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

If they live in Stoke they are. Bourgeoisie in Stoke.

The staff of McDonalds are the bourgeoisie in Stoke.

 


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View Helmet46's Profile Helmet46 Flag Croydon 16 Oct 17 5.12pm Send a Private Message to Helmet46 Add Helmet46 as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Doesn't really matter who 'initially pledges what', what is important is that the right thing gets done.

Problem I have with Labour and the Conservatives, I wouldn't trust either party after the last 27 years to sell me a turd in a bucket, without lying about the bucket.

I agree with this entirely - other than I would add the Lib Dem’s to my distrust list, as they have something of a track record on this matter!

 

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View elgrande's Profile elgrande Flag bedford 16 Oct 17 5.14pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

So basically all this "its the nasty tories fault" is a load of bollocks,it was labour who bought in the present system.

 


always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 16 Oct 17 5.18pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by elgrande

So basically all this "its the nasty tories fault" is a load of bollocks,it was labour who bought in the present system.

And Tories trebled the fees and all universities raised the costs to that amount.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 Oct 17 5.19pm

Originally posted by elgrande

So basically all this "its the nasty tories fault" is a load of bollocks,it was labour who bought in the present system.

Not the 6 percent interest rate, nor did they effectively privatise the student loan system.

 

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View elgrande's Profile elgrande Flag bedford 16 Oct 17 5.19pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

And Tories trebled the fees and all universities raised the costs to that amount.

Fair enough.

 


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