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Pussay Patrol Flag 18 Oct 17 1.08pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

UK Citizens who fought for IS should only be allowed back into the UK for interrogation where they have information that could benefit UK security.

The rest, should be held as criminals supporting a brutal regime of murder and tyranny, and held accountable under either Syrian, Iraqi or international law (which ever applies).

I suspect many will just disappear.

What will probably happen is they will claim they were holidaying in Raqqa and thought it was club med, then hire a a human rights lawyer (from Tony Bliar's wife's firm) sue the government using taxpayers money. They'll get a hush payout of £1m which they will use to fund suicide bombing around Europe

 


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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

What will probably happen is they will claim they were holidaying in Raqqa and thought it was club med, then hire a a human rights lawyer (from Tony Bliar's wife's firm) sue the government using taxpayers money. They'll get a hush payout of £1m which they will use to fund suicide bombing around Europe

That is probaly nearer the truth.

 


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Originally posted by stayloa

And we're again very happy to overlook the fact that it was us that caused this mess in the first place?

A bit simplistic. Whilst western government policies dating back to when the Russians invaded Afghanistan (probably before) should be questioned, I don't think that you can say that it was exclusively "us".

 


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Originally posted by topcat

A bit simplistic. Whilst western government policies dating back to when the Russians invaded Afghanistan (probably before) should be questioned, I don't think that you can say that it was exclusively "us".


You can take it back a lot further than that, to when the British created Iraq by drawing lines on a map that didn't correspond to existing racial or ethnic territories, and then let them have at each other for a century or so.

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 Oct 17 4.40pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston


You can take it back a lot further than that, to when the British created Iraq by drawing lines on a map that didn't correspond to existing racial or ethnic territories, and then let them have at each other for a century or so.

That's true. Our treatment of the Middle East in the past has been farcical. Pointless judging now though.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That's true. Our treatment of the Middle East in the past has been farcical. Pointless judging now though.

Judging? No.

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

You can't look at the middle east and assume that they're all a bunch of out of control crazies because they keep fighting over bits of desert. They were jammed into the wrong bits of desert by interfering foreigners which is why they were fighting.

Think about it: to this day we still can't mix football fans in a stadium with assigned seats to watch a game for 90 minutes. Going further: imagine if the league dissolved Palace and told us "You're all Charlton now" and then made us go to the games. I'm sure we'd all be holding hands and singing "Kumbayah" by halftime...

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Trump should be credited for this Raqqa defeat of ISIS. Obama started the offensive but Trump took the shackles off the military who were being micro-managed by the previous administration. Major decisions had to go through the White House previously but Trump just let the commanders on the ground get on with it and these are the results. A victory for Trump here. Same for Mosul too.

Edited by Penge Eagle (20 Oct 2017 8.30am)

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 20 Oct 17 3.01pm

Originally posted by elgrande

That is probaly nearer the truth.

Thing is, simpletons will believe the cobblers perpetuated by Paul Dacre et al. It's sad really.

Edited by nickgusset (20 Oct 2017 3.02pm)

 

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Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Trump should be credited for this Raqqa defeat of ISIS. Obama started the offensive but Trump took the shackles off the military who were being micro-managed by the previous administration. Major decisions had to go through the White House previously but Trump just let the commanders on the ground get on with it and these are the results. A victory for Trump here. Same for Mosul too.

Edited by Penge Eagle (20 Oct 2017 8.30am)

If you take away his abrasive lack of care for diplomacy Trump's actually doing quite well both economically and militarily.

 


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Originally posted by nickgusset

Thing is, simpletons will believe the cobblers perpetuated by Paul Dacre et al. It's sad really.

Edited by nickgusset (20 Oct 2017 3.02pm)

You really should get a yellow card gusset,i do not particularly like being called a simpleton.

So lets look at some things shall we,their is a barrister called nixon(forget his first name ) but he is the independent terror laws overseer...he says in his wisdom,that people who are returning jihadists from Syria or Iraqi should not face court or prosecution...they are just young and gulliable.....what do you think of that then gusset pray tell.

 


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Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Trump should be credited for this Raqqa defeat of ISIS. Obama started the offensive but Trump took the shackles off the military who were being micro-managed by the previous administration. Major decisions had to go through the White House previously but Trump just let the commanders on the ground get on with it and these are the results. A victory for Trump here. Same for Mosul too.


Trump campaigned on having a plan to defeat ISIS within 30 days. After taking office, he did nothing about ISIS for at least 30 days, then announced that he'd asked the Generals to give him a plan to defeat ISIS. This they did; it was the same plan they'd been pursuing under the Obama administration, because it was a good plan that was already working.

The liberation of Raqqa and Mosul are the results of this plan. Credit goes to the Generals who devised it and the men and women in uniform who executed it. Especially them. If Trump gets credit for "getting out of the way" then so does Obama because he did exactly the same thing.

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If you take away his abrasive lack of care for diplomacy Trump's actually doing quite well both economically and militarily.


Militarily, yes and no. He is letting the military continue the successful path it was on as far as ISIS is concerned. But poking North Korea with a pointy stick and destabilising the Iran nuclear deal does nothing but make trouble for the world, and for the US military who will have to pay for his sabre rattling with their blood.

Economically, he has yet to do anything. The US government operates on an October to October budget, so we're still working under Obama's fiscal policy. Trump has signed zero major legislation, fiscal or otherwise, since being in office.

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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