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 Midlands Eagle  05 Nov 17 7.33am |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
The UK car industry sunk into near oblivion as a result of bad management and lack of investment....blame conveniently pushed onto the unions with scapegoats like Derek Robinson...some naive people even believe the myth to this day. Of course the management was poor as anyone with more than ten brain cells had up sticks and moved to America to escape the penal income tax regime that the Labour Government thought was good for the country
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 05 Nov 17 8.10am |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
The UK car industry sunk into near oblivion as a result of bad management and lack of investment....blame conveniently pushed onto the unions with scapegoats like Derek Robinson...some naive people even believe the myth to this day. As another poster has said,funny how the German car industry has done so well with strong unions but with the added ingredient of good investment and strong management. You would have got a top job in the Ministry of Truth. "scapegoats like Derek Robinson"! More like communist wreckers like Derek Robinson. "lack of investment"! Money was shovelled into that nationalised car manufacturer to fund the never ending demands of strikes fermented by the likes of the communist Robinson. On the few days they did produce cars, nobody wanted to buy them - remember the Allegro. A classic example of a failed nationalisation where communist controlled locals unions knew they could continually dispute without consequences. Edited by hedgehog50 (05 Nov 2017 8.17am)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 05 Nov 17 8.55am |
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My memory of those times is that the same car (usually pretty crap) would have 5 different names yet all be the same apart from the badge. The UK car industry is a success story now and I have never gone along with British workers being the 'sick man of Europe', always a complete myth. It is also a myth that the car industry is a socialist nightmare as the years of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown show entirely to the contrary.
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| Midlands Eagle 05 Nov 17 9.03am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
My memory of those times is that the same car (usually pretty crap) would have 5 different names yet all be the same apart from the badge. Much as Audi, Volkswagen, Seat and Skoda do nowadays and they aren't the only ones as there is remarkably little difference between the Mazda MX5 and the Fiat Spyder 124 amongst many others Originally posted by steeleye20
It is also a myth that the car industry is a socialist nightmare as the years of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown show entirely to the contrary. Was Tony Blair a Socialist as I thought he was a left of centre Tory
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 05 Nov 17 9.23am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
My memory of those times is that the same car (usually pretty crap) would have 5 different names yet all be the same apart from the badge. The UK car industry is a success story now and I have never gone along with British workers being the 'sick man of Europe', always a complete myth. It is also a myth that the car industry is a socialist nightmare as the years of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown show entirely to the contrary. I was talking about the 1970s, not the current privately owned car industry.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 06 Nov 17 10.56am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
I was talking about the 1970s, not the current privately owned car industry. I see that H. Was thinking that actually their cars were not all c**p, the best car I ever had was the Triumph 2000 a super car.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Nov 17 11.31am |
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'Red Robbo' was the personification of the bullying unions which totally paralysed industry, wrecked the economy and turned our country into the 'Sick man of Europe'. Between 1978 and 1979 he presided over more than 500 walkouts at British Leyland costing the company some £200 million in lost output. His betrayal of workers at British Leyland and elsewhere was disreputable.
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Pussay Patrol  06 Nov 17 11.33am |
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Originally posted by chris123
Look at how Unions operate in Germany, how strong the car industry is - with generally high wages. that's cos management and Unions work together in Germany. Unions here just want to fight a class war
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Nov 17 11.34am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
You would have got a top job in the Ministry of Truth. "scapegoats like Derek Robinson"! More like communist wreckers like Derek Robinson. "lack of investment"! Money was shovelled into that nationalised car manufacturer to fund the never ending demands of strikes fermented by the likes of the communist Robinson. On the few days they did produce cars, nobody wanted to buy them - remember the Allegro. A classic example of a failed nationalisation where communist controlled locals unions knew they could continually dispute without consequences. Edited by hedgehog50 (05 Nov 2017 8.17am) As far as 'Red Robbo' was concerned, the workplace was not a place for production but an arena for intimidation and political confrontation.The culture at the factory in Longbridge was one of sheer political oppression.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Nov 17 11.40am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Tony Blair was right of centre political speaking, as he was very much 'trickle down economics' and took a pro-corporate stance - viewing the relationship between government and business as more important that between state and citizen. Just because they were to the left of the Conservative party doesn't make them left of centre. The liberal democrats during the period of Blair's new labour were far more embracing of the philosophy of wealth distribution and the interests of the working classes. New Labour dumped the interests of the lower and middle working classes, and retained liberal values of identity politics as a way of appealing to the left wing base of the labour party. But no one in the UK did more to betray the interests of the lower and middle working classes than New Labour - A consequence of which can be seen in the number of labour voters who switched to UKIP, and even the rise of groups like the BNP et al - as these parties at least on face value represented working class issues (Fascism, like communism, being an anti-capitalist ideology).
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| Bin Liner London , Southfields 06 Nov 17 11.42am |
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Originally posted by chris123
Look at how Unions operate in Germany, how strong the car industry is - with generally high wages. good point, why did it go so wrong for the UK car industry? the products were terrible though weren't they?
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Nov 17 11.43am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
that's cos management and Unions work together in Germany. Unions here just want to fight a class war I think that tends to work both ways, here businesses are a lot less interested in a 'fair deal' for their workers - and the tendency seen over the last 30 years or so has seen that. Companies are interested in profits, unions are interested in wages. Neither really seems to have been overly good at working together and compromise.
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