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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

That's exactly the major flaw of capitalism; that objective value of something (like food) is determined entirely in relation to the economic value to the producer. Take outsourcing, its more profitable for the business, but not for people within the UK, who lose out on jobs. Capitalism replaces moral and ethical responsibility with an objective fiscal value.

I watched the episode of Anthony Bourdain’s excellent “Parts Unknown” that was shot in Puerto Rico literally a few weeks before the island was annihilated by Hurricane Maria. One of the gobsmacking things discussed by the locals is that they no longer produce any of their own...erm...produce, because indigenous farmers cannot compete with the prices of goods imported from the US mainland.

I heard the same story when I was in Hawaii, which used to grow much of the world’s supply of sugar, but now everything is turned over to tourism – service jobs – because there’s no money in anything else. The joke there is that the lovely piece of fish you’re having for dinner probably arrived on the same flight you did. They don’t even grow pineapples there any more; they all come from Mexico now. You drive right by the derelict Dole canning plant on the way out of Honolulu.

The problem for people is that capitalism moves much faster than we can adapt. Even China – which attracted manufacturing jobs away from much of the western democracies – is expected to see a drop in production volumes as it loses work to cheaper, less developed venues. China’s middle class is exploding, meaning they want nice things and they want the jobs/salaries to make that happen. Those jobs aren't ones making iPhones. Manufacturers see this inevitable shift in China’s cost-benefit analysis, and immediately move on to new, more economically beneficial locales.

Just as there's always a bigger fish; there's always a cheaper place to get your s*** made.

 


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The f***ing Independent. Dear me. And people moan about the Daily Mail.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The f***ing Independent. Dear me. And people moan about the Daily Mail.

The slight difference being The Independent is rationally reporting the facts and The Daily Mail would exaggerate them to get people FVCKING ANGRY AND SCARED!!!

 


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Originally posted by Kermit8

The slight difference being The Independent is rationally reporting the facts and The Daily Mail would exaggerate them to get people FVCKING ANGRY AND SCARED!!!

One idiot out of numerous half wits in this country and they make a big headline out of it.

Yeah, very responsible reporting.

 

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Originally posted by Kermit8

The slight difference being The Independent is rationally reporting the facts and The Daily Mail would exaggerate them to get people FVCKING ANGRY AND SCARED!!!

Or in reality...the Independent is a paper that mostly backs your beliefs while the Mail doesn't.

I don't respect either of them.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Or in reality...the Independent is a paper that mostly backs your beliefs while the Mail doesn't.

I don't respect either of them.

Stirling? Reality?

edited to hold off a yellow

Edited by Kermit8 (23 Nov 2017 1.26pm)

 


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Originally posted by Kermit8

You don't do reality

Ah, fvck - yellow card a coming


I would hope not....I kind of miss our occasional trading of insults.....though we should kept them more like that one....instead of ranting on for pages after pages.

When the Independent first came out it was no where near as left wing as it is now.....now its name is risible.

I not only do reality....I do virtual reality....as in my cousin's gone big on getting that kit and wants me to check it out.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Nov 2017 1.26pm)

 


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^^^^

noooo - quickly dilute my quote too

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays


I would hope not....I kind of miss our occasional trading of insults.....though we should kept them more like that one....instead of ranting on for pages after pages.

When the Independent first came out it was no where near as left wing as it is now.....now its name is risible.

I not only do reality....I do virtual reality....as in my cousin's gone big on getting that kit and wants me to check it out.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Nov 2017 1.26pm)

Read The Guardian cover to cover for the first time in absolutely ages the other day. Surprisingly rational apart from Polly Toynbee having a rant but all the actual news journalism was impartial.

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 23 Nov 17 1.34pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Or in reality...the Independent is a paper that mostly backs your beliefs while the Mail doesn't.

I don't respect either of them.

The Independent is a little better in terms of integrity journalism than the Daily Mail (unless either has changed much in the last five or six years). Certainly, its bias does show, but it did lack the overt tabloid style of the Daily Mail in its news reporting.

When it comes to columns and opinion pieces, most newspapers are on a par in terms of bias and lack of objectivity - But then I never understood why people would want to read other peoples opinions in a newspaper anyhow.

Looking through most newspapers now, they seem more like lifestyle magazines, which also have some news coverage in.

Traditional broadsheets, as a generalisation, tend to have better news coverage, and more depth to their stories - But I wouldn't be surprised to find out that everyone has sold out to a rush to the bottom.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 23 Nov 17 1.36pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Read The Guardian cover to cover for the first time in absolutely ages the other day. Surprisingly rational apart from Polly Toynbee having a rant but all the actual news journalism was impartial.

Edited by Kermit8 (23 Nov 2017 1.32pm)

I read it most days, I'd say its news journalism is 'fairly impartial'. Its definitely somewhat selective in how it approaches some stories, but that reporting also tends to ignore the 'opinion approach' seen in tabloids (left or right).

Sometimes, they do seem to approach stories specifically from one aspect.

 


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