I'll just have to post abiding by the rules set for me won't I.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

The economic right with their desire for cheap labour and the internationalist left have always shared the same goal on immigration.

Most voters for both the left and right haven't. The feedback that it should be slowed down has been consistent for decades.

London now probably has less people who regard themselves as English in it than the actual English.....in the sodding capital of England.

Na....not happy.

I'm a nationalist with a small 'n' and I don't believe that you sell away your country's assets to rich foreigners and toughen the lives of your working class by making them compete with undercutting immigrants who send money back out of the country.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Nov 2017 1.01pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Smaller political parties have enjoyed increased success on occasion but we are still stuck with a two party system. No other party has ever threatened to form a government on its own. To suggest otherwise is mischevious. No protest vote for other parties will become more under the present voting system.

I don't think it is unreasonable to compare the level of propaganda in the media and the pressure on individuals to conform to one way of thinking to fascism. The term might conjure up images of jackboots and small moustaches to some but it can be used in a broader context. It is preferable to live in more liberal society but that is not the same as saying that policy regarding immigration or religion is sensible or that we should be forced to chant the mantra of acceptance. I find it offensive that I have to constantly defend that position.

I'm not so sure its quite as cut and dried. A lot on the left weren't against immigration per se, but were and are against the use of a cheap labour force (including Unions). My objection to the EU Migration wasn't on the basis of being against immigration but against the use of cheap foreign labour as a means of controlling the supply and demand. My secondary objection was the 'brain drain' of a number of poorer EU countries to fill cheap labour jobs in the UK.

I'd settle for those who regarded themselves British to some extent. I understand maintaining an identity relating to your nation of birth and ethnicity. However, I don't really buy into the idea of temporary migrants as workers - I'd rather that people who were coming here, were people who's long term objective is to become British, and that number be more controlled than the absurd levels we see from within the EU and non-EU.

This bit I wholeheartedly agree, and I hate it when you see politicians, businesses and the wealthy, playing up their Nationalism or Patriotism, whilst hiding money off shore to dodge tax, whilst benefitting greatly from selling out their own countrymen for an extra percentage on their dividends.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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No that's reasonable capitalism. The cost of harvesting outweighs the value of the produce at market.

That's exactly the major flaw of capitalism; that objective value of something (like food) is determined entirely in relation to the economic value to the producer. Take outsourcing, its more profitable for the business, but not for people within the UK, who lose out on jobs. Capitalism replaces moral and ethical responsibility with an objective fiscal value.

Or course the drawback of little socialism, is that you'll either have more expensive apples

and the drawback of communism, is that someone will be shot and left in a ditch, for letting the apples rot, usually after six people have been shot for trying to steal the apples that the state had decided to let rot.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (14 Nov 2017 3.14pm)

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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This 'British' bane is leading to the English losing the identity of their own cities.

When you look at the numbers in England not identifying as English...It's not going to go well.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Nov 2017 4.15pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)