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View Eltham Eagle's Profile Eltham Eagle Flag 20 Nov 17 8.49pm Send a Private Message to Eltham Eagle Add Eltham Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by chateauferret

Bollocks. Martinez cleaned him out.

No, sorry, just watched it back on Sky Plus.

He dives and commentators say it looked a penalty but reply’s show it’s a dive.

Don’t want to argue about it, just pointing out we’re all as bad as each other. The way to be sure of winning is to do so without hoping for good officials. Because you will probably be disappointed!

 


Now here's Wright, his first chance to see what he can do, and he's through, it's Wright, ohhhh what an impact by the substitute. And it's Ian Wright who's sent the Palace fans into ecstasy!

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View Harry Beever's Profile Harry Beever Flag Newbury 20 Nov 17 9.01pm Send a Private Message to Harry Beever Add Harry Beever as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston


It has to be a punishment to the club; one that matters. A fine for the club or player is irrelevant, because they're all stonkingly rich and any fine is comparative loose change. Still, managers will stress the need to earn a penalty by whatever means possible because winning points is all that matters.

So the punishment has to be a points deduction. Deduct the unearned points plus one. So, Niasse's dive earned them a point they wouldn't have got, so take it away plus one. Same for if it gets you a win over a draw, take away the 2 unearned points plus one. If the differential was bigger than 1 goal - or you lose - still deduct 1 point.

Of course, this all assumes that the panel will have any balls whatsoever to actually call a dive a dive, which they won't. The greater the stakes, the more they will shrink from their responsibilities.

Shouldn’t just be a case of deducting points from the cheat’s side, they should also be given back to the cheated’s side. Won’t happen though. It would also be nice to be able to have a panel assessing a refs overall performance (not just one mistake) with the option of a red card and subbing them at half time if they’re underperforming. Pigs will fly and hell will freeze over before that though!

 

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View Gary St.Andrews's Profile Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 20 Nov 17 9.46pm Send a Private Message to Gary St.Andrews Add Gary St.Andrews as a friend

It was a dive all day long, but whatever comes out of it, it does not help us now. I hope the ref gets down graded because it was a shocker of a decision and he had a great view of it too...

The look on Cabaye's face told the whole story..

 

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View gerry theagle's Profile gerry theagle Flag newbury 20 Nov 17 10.13pm Send a Private Message to gerry theagle Add gerry theagle as a friend

The refing in the Premiership is appalling, watched the match tonight Murray was taken out by Shawcross definite pen, Lee Mason another incompetent ref is not even up with play awards a free kick to Stoke as Murray who is flat on the ground has handled the ball.
Sadly but inevitably we are going to have video replays as these overpaid elite referees are s**t.

 

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chateauferret Flag 20 Nov 17 11.47pm

Originally posted by gerry theagle

The refing in the Premiership is appalling, watched the match tonight Murray was taken out by Shawcross definite pen, Lee Mason another incompetent ref is not even up with play awards a free kick to Stoke as Murray who is flat on the ground has handled the ball.
Sadly but inevitably we are going to have video replays as these overpaid elite referees are s**t.

Murray himself did enough to get red carded in one go in that match.

See the Everton match ref thread for a summary of ref cockups in the weekend's ten Premier League matches, three of which were refereed correctly, and in which two out of eight major calls were given correctly. Some people seem to think that's good enough. YMMV.

 


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View spartakev2's Profile spartakev2 Flag Anerley 21 Nov 17 12.03am Send a Private Message to spartakev2 Add spartakev2 as a friend

Although I agree the referee was awful and let everton get away with murder, frpm where I was sitting in upper holmesdale it looked like a penalty.

 

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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 21 Nov 17 9.54am Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

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If you want to stamp out the behaviour, you have need to have an incentive to the club, team and player to avoid cheating.

As it stands, if he's banned for even three games, he earned his club 2 points. Most managers would take losing a player for 3 games, in exchange for 2pts.


Originally posted by Ray in Houston

It has to be a punishment to the club; one that matters. A fine for the club or player is irrelevant, because they're all stonkingly rich and any fine is comparative loose change. Still, managers will stress the need to earn a penalty by whatever means possible because winning points is all that matters.

So the punishment has to be a points deduction. Deduct the unearned points plus one. So, Niasse's dive earned them a point they wouldn't have got, so take it away plus one. Same for if it gets you a win over a draw, take away the 2 unearned points plus one. If the differential was bigger than 1 goal - or you lose - still deduct 1 point.

Of course, this all assumes that the panel will have any balls whatsoever to actually call a dive a dive, which they won't. The greater the stakes, the more they will shrink from their responsibilities.

Unfortuntely, there is such an ambiguity over diving and intent and someone genuinely jumping out of the way to avoid injury (which should still be a foul against the tackler, even if there wasn't contact IMHO) that retrospective punishment such as this will fail it's purpose. It may work as a deterrent, but what is worse? not punishing a dive sufficiently or punishing a club with a points deduction when the player did not dive ?
I think the only way is to get the decision right on the pitch. That's done by Video Refs. Yes, they will still get some decisions wrong for the same reasons, but at least the game is still going on - and the match will be affected by the decision.

Having said that, when someone comes out after the game and Admits to conning the ref (with or without Video refs) then they should be strung up and fired our of the nearest skyscraper.

 


"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 21 Nov 17 10.06am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

When do we find out if Niasse is being referred to the diving panel and what conclusions they have come to

 

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chateauferret Flag 21 Nov 17 11.06am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

When do we find out if Niasse is being referred to the diving panel and what conclusions they have come to

Niasse's antics have already been referred to the diving panel and apparently they will rule within 24 hours.

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Of course he's already given an interview in which he suggested that a) he did it and b) why the f*** shouldn't he, so hopefully they will make an example of the disgusting cheat. Don't hold your breath though.

I don't know if Palace are still interested in the "player" or if he's still interested in us, but if the latter were the case a nice presser to the effect that he and his agent are both now as welcome at Selhurst Park as an epidemic of Gandhi's Revenge in a submarine with blocked toilets would be quite amusing.


Edited by chateauferret (21 Nov 2017 11.07am)

 


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View slubglurge's Profile slubglurge Flag welling 21 Nov 17 11.13am Send a Private Message to slubglurge Add slubglurge as a friend

Yes! Justice. Niasse has been charged

 

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View alaneagle1's Profile alaneagle1 Flag Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 21 Nov 17 11.13am Send a Private Message to alaneagle1 Add alaneagle1 as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

When do we find out if Niasse is being referred to the diving panel and what conclusions they have come to

Been charged Act of simulation.

 


Palace 13th 2017/18.

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View Bullhorn76's Profile Bullhorn76 Flag Darlington 21 Nov 17 11.21am Send a Private Message to Bullhorn76 Add Bullhorn76 as a friend

Good !! Cheating little get has been done , so really now the penalty should be stricken from the record hence us being awarded all three points ....... of course it won’t happen but it bloody well should !

 

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