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silvertop Portishead 30 Nov 17 9.32am
Originally posted by adrian b Every season at least one club suddenly plunges from seemingly mid-table security into the relegation tussle. Huddersfield have looked suspect for some time, though their physical approach has done them well. Brighton are faring quite well but they should have looked more confident against the bottom team, and Burnley are really flying. I truly expect two of those teams to go into free-fall with Southampton, soon. The Baggies, who knows, but possible. With Super Pards anything is and Stoke do look ropey. This season has only just started. I'm not saying Palace for Europe, but add Wet Spam and the decaying Toffees to the list....who knows now. Do you think last night was just a flash in the pan?
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Portishead 30 Nov 17 9.32am

Originally posted by adrian b

Every season at least one club suddenly plunges from seemingly mid-table security into the relegation tussle. Huddersfield have looked suspect for some time, though their physical approach has done them well. Brighton are faring quite well but they should have looked more confident against the bottom team, and Burnley are really flying. I truly expect two of those teams to go into free-fall with Southampton, soon.
The Baggies, who knows, but possible. With Super Pards anything is and Stoke do look ropey. This season has only just started. I'm not saying Palace for Europe, but add Wet Spam and the decaying Toffees to the list....who knows now.

Do you think last night was just a flash in the pan?

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 30 Nov 17 9.39am
Originally posted by Willo I really do not think that Everton will be relegation candidates, especially as Allardyce will be taking up the reins. They're now pretty much mid table with Allardyce. Not going to be relegated. Wouldn't be with a different manager after unsworth. Unsworth picked the team last night. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 30 Nov 17 9.39am

Originally posted by Willo

I really do not think that Everton will be relegation candidates, especially as Allardyce will be taking up the reins.

They're now pretty much mid table with Allardyce. Not going to be relegated. Wouldn't be with a different manager after unsworth. Unsworth picked the team last night.

COYP

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Nov 17 9.47am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman They're now pretty much mid table with Allardyce. Not going to be relegated. Wouldn't be with a different manager after unsworth. Unsworth picked the team last night. Allardyce was grinning like a Cheshire cat last night and seemed really happy. He never appeared that happy when he was with us.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Nov 17 9.47am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

They're now pretty much mid table with Allardyce. Not going to be relegated. Wouldn't be with a different manager after unsworth. Unsworth picked the team last night.

Allardyce was grinning like a Cheshire cat last night and seemed really happy.
He never appeared that happy when he was with us.

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Painter Croydon 30 Nov 17 10.06am
Originally posted by Willo Allardyce was grinning like a Cheshire cat last night and seemed really happy. He never appeared that happy when he was with us. He wasn�t getting �6 million a year, when he was with us. Most would be grinning like a Cheshire Cat with that deal.
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Painter

Croydon 30 Nov 17 10.06am

Originally posted by Willo

Allardyce was grinning like a Cheshire cat last night and seemed really happy.
He never appeared that happy when he was with us.

He wasn�t getting �6 million a year, when he was with us. Most would be grinning like a Cheshire Cat with that deal.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Nov 17 10.13am
Originally posted by Painter He wasn�t getting �6 million a year, when he was with us. Most would be grinning like a Cheshire Cat with that deal. I haven't been privy to information regards his salary at Everton but perhaps financial inducements do not enter the equation. He seemed to cut a rather forlorn figure at our club and I wouldn't be surprised that he decided some way before the end of the season that he would depart, irrespective of whether we stayed up or were relegated.Perhaps couldn't wait to get away ! Regards last night, yes a good night for our club but there will be weekends and nights when results don't go in our favour.Plenty of twists and turns to come m'thinks. Edited by Willo (30 Nov 2017 10.15am)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Nov 17 10.13am

Originally posted by Painter

He wasn�t getting �6 million a year, when he was with us. Most would be grinning like a Cheshire Cat with that deal.

I haven't been privy to information regards his salary at Everton but perhaps financial inducements do not enter the equation.

He seemed to cut a rather forlorn figure at our club and I wouldn't be surprised that he decided some way before the end of the season that he would depart, irrespective of whether we stayed up or were relegated.Perhaps couldn't wait to get away !

Regards last night, yes a good night for our club but there will be weekends and nights when results don't go in our favour.Plenty of twists and turns to come m'thinks.

Edited by Willo (30 Nov 2017 10.15am)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 30 Nov 17 11.42am
Originally posted by Painter He wasn�t getting �6 million a year, when he was with us. Most would be grinning like a Cheshire Cat with that deal. He was pretty happy in the first half v Watford in his first match and at Bournemouth and after that home volley by zaha, but then realised what an amateur mess the previous manager left behind. No fitness, discipline or pride. He now has Rooney and Sigurdsson and probably a transfer kitty sitting mid table. Quite different to our half prepared efforts until someone with a clue comes in to save Parish and take the reigns of whoever he's hired or kept in the job too long. Edited by Rudi Hedman (30 Nov 2017 11.44am) COYP
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Caterham 30 Nov 17 11.42am

Originally posted by Painter

He wasn�t getting �6 million a year, when he was with us. Most would be grinning like a Cheshire Cat with that deal.

He was pretty happy in the first half v Watford in his first match and at Bournemouth and after that home volley by zaha, but then realised what an amateur mess the previous manager left behind. No fitness, discipline or pride.

He now has Rooney and Sigurdsson and probably a transfer kitty sitting mid table. Quite different to our half prepared efforts until someone with a clue comes in to save Parish and take the reigns of whoever he's hired or kept in the job too long.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (30 Nov 2017 11.44am)

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Ray in Houston Houston 30 Nov 17 5.35pm
Originally posted by YT Things do seem to be turning our way.....but we�ve GOT to find a way to scoring more goals. Some good news on that front, from a Fantasy alert about RLC: The West Brom defence have conceded most shots (57) over the last four Gameweeks and have also conceded 11 goals in their last four outings at The Hawthorns. Will Pards have them drilling on defense? That was something he apparently eschewed at Palace despite us shipping goals like a hungover Sunday league team at the time. A single point this weekend might see us up to 18th. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Originally posted by YT

Things do seem to be turning our way.....but we�ve GOT to find a way to scoring more goals.

Some good news on that front, from a Fantasy alert about RLC:

The West Brom defence have conceded most shots (57) over the last four Gameweeks and have also conceded 11 goals in their last four outings at The Hawthorns.

Will Pards have them drilling on defense? That was something he apparently eschewed at Palace despite us shipping goals like a hungover Sunday league team at the time.

A single point this weekend might see us up to 18th.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Ray in Houston Houston 30 Nov 17 5.41pm
Originally posted by chateauferret So that's now three teams the market thinks are shorter odds than us to get relegated. This makes sense given that we have outperformed our peers over the last 5 or 6 matches at least. We need to continue this momentum, and we have the fixtures to allow us to do that. None of this "bottom at Christmas" rubbish; I think we'll be out of the drop zone before the Arse comes daan sarf. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Houston 30 Nov 17 5.41pm

Originally posted by chateauferret

So that's now three teams the market thinks are shorter odds than us to get relegated.

This makes sense given that we have outperformed our peers over the last 5 or 6 matches at least. We need to continue this momentum, and we have the fixtures to allow us to do that.

None of this "bottom at Christmas" rubbish; I think we'll be out of the drop zone before the Arse comes daan sarf.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Ray in Houston Houston 30 Nov 17 5.48pm
Originally posted by Loz83 Looks like Huddersfield are sinking big time! 3 points from their last 15. Compare that to: Palace: 6 from 15 Swansea: 1 from 15 West Ham: 2 from 15 West Brom: 2 from 15 Yes, they're dropping, but they're going to have a soft landing on top of the dung heap at the bottom of the table. Having said that, their next 5 fixtures aren't horrifying - with the exception of Chelsea - but they're all games where a point would be a bonus: EVE (A), Weed (H), CHE (H), WAT (A), SOU (A). Edited by Ray in Houston (30 Nov 2017 5.51pm) We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Houston 30 Nov 17 5.48pm

Originally posted by Loz83

Looks like Huddersfield are sinking big time!

3 points from their last 15. Compare that to:

Palace: 6 from 15
Swansea: 1 from 15
West Ham: 2 from 15
West Brom: 2 from 15

Yes, they're dropping, but they're going to have a soft landing on top of the dung heap at the bottom of the table. Having said that, their next 5 fixtures aren't horrifying - with the exception of Chelsea - but they're all games where a point would be a bonus: EVE (A), Weed (H), CHE (H), WAT (A), SOU (A).

Edited by Ray in Houston (30 Nov 2017 5.51pm)

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Booted Eagle Bristol 30 Nov 17 6.12pm
Originally posted by chateauferret Plus which Wet Spam have played the new manager card and drawn a turkey. Allardyce has gone to a team that would surely have stayed up anyway and we still get our �2m. West Brom have fired a good manager and replaced him with a well-known muppet. The teams above us have hardly picked up a point in the time it's taken us to nearly catch them up. Tonight three of them dropped points they could have won and the other three got spanked. Swansea will probably go for Pulis but the problem there isn't the manager - it's the fact that they sold Gylfi and Llorente, didn't replace them, and brought in that Sanchez character who has turned out to be a dud. They probably have little funds for the coming window. In any case it's not even impossible to stay up if you're bottom on Christmas Day - it's happened twice, West Brom years ago at our expense and Leicester the other year, when they looked dead and buried even in March and not only got out of it but won the thing the following year. Edited by chateauferret (29 Nov 2017 10.37pm) Next 3 games for them look very tough and I can see it getting far more toxic there. I wouldn't right off the likes of Newcastle or Huddersfield entering the mix. � [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns � there are things we do not know we don't know. � �United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld
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Bristol 30 Nov 17 6.12pm

Originally posted by chateauferret

Plus which

Wet Spam have played the new manager card and drawn a turkey.
Allardyce has gone to a team that would surely have stayed up anyway and we still get our �2m.
West Brom have fired a good manager and replaced him with a well-known muppet.
The teams above us have hardly picked up a point in the time it's taken us to nearly catch them up.
Tonight three of them dropped points they could have won and the other three got spanked.

Swansea will probably go for Pulis but the problem there isn't the manager - it's the fact that they sold Gylfi and Llorente, didn't replace them, and brought in that Sanchez character who has turned out to be a dud. They probably have little funds for the coming window.

In any case it's not even impossible to stay up if you're bottom on Christmas Day - it's happened twice, West Brom years ago at our expense and Leicester the other year, when they looked dead and buried even in March and not only got out of it but won the thing the following year.

Edited by chateauferret (29 Nov 2017 10.37pm)

Next 3 games for them look very tough and I can see it getting far more toxic there. I wouldn't right off the likes of Newcastle or Huddersfield entering the mix.

� [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns � there are things we do not know we don't know. �
�United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

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Ray in Houston Houston 30 Nov 17 6.29pm
Originally posted by Booted Eagle Next 3 games for them look very tough and I can see it getting far more toxic there. I wouldn't right off the likes of Newcastle or Huddersfield entering the mix. Newcastle have 1 point from their last 15, and their next matches are Chelsea, Leicester, Everton and Arsenal. If we can get 6 points from our next 4 games, we'll be mid-table. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Ray in Houston

Houston 30 Nov 17 6.29pm

Originally posted by Booted Eagle

Next 3 games for them look very tough and I can see it getting far more toxic there. I wouldn't right off the likes of Newcastle or Huddersfield entering the mix.

Newcastle have 1 point from their last 15, and their next matches are Chelsea, Leicester, Everton and Arsenal.

If we can get 6 points from our next 4 games, we'll be mid-table.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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The Dolphin 30 Nov 17 6.44pm
There are so many teams in it with a few on a very bad run. Avery long way to go but Everton can be discounted and Pardew normally starts well. So - us and six or so others to fight it out. West Ham, Huddersfield, Swansea, Brighton, Stoke and Bournemouth. Maybe Newcastle but I doubt it.
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30 Nov 17 6.44pm

There are so many teams in it with a few on a very bad run.
Avery long way to go but Everton can be discounted and Pardew normally starts well.
So - us and six or so others to fight it out.
West Ham, Huddersfield, Swansea, Brighton, Stoke and Bournemouth.
Maybe Newcastle but I doubt it.

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