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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 05 Dec 17 4.25pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by crystal balls

That graph doesn't show rape statistics in isolation; it includes a number of offences of a sexual nature. Figures for reported rape offences throughout the period have remained within the 5,500 - 6,500 per annum level, while convictions have remained around 190-200 per annum.

Like I said, how things are categorised.....'exposed to sex offences' more than doubled from 2012.

Like I said initially......I don't think people can be sure.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 Dec 17 4.54pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Very nice, but in your world, nothing is ever entirely true or untrue. That means that your assertion is not true either.
Some things you just have to accept as fact if the evidence is undeniable. Not everything can be spun or reinterpreted.

Well it's undeniable that some groups are using Muslim rape gangs to exacerbate the perception that they are round every corner and arouse suspicion of innocents.
Fact. End of.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 Dec 17 5.19pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Well it's undeniable that some groups are using Muslim rape gangs to exacerbate the perception that they are round every corner and arouse suspicion of innocents.
Fact. End of.

Extremists do what extremists do on both sides but that does not alter the facts.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 Dec 17 5.43pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Extremists do what extremists do on both sides but that does not alter the facts.

That there are paedophiles and groomers from all creeds and sexes?

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 Dec 17 5.56pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

That there are paedophiles and groomers from all creeds and sexes?

That would be true if there were a thousand from one group and one from another.
It is a meaningless statement.

You also seem to be obsessed with one aspect, obviously hoping to avoid any others.

 

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View Sheks Crows Eye's Profile Sheks Crows Eye Flag Stafford 05 Dec 17 6.10pm Send a Private Message to Sheks Crows Eye Add Sheks Crows Eye as a friend

So many unhinged bigots there are in the west, just looking for more reasons to rid ourselves of the "brown man."

Unlike most Americans, I actually make an attempt to understand the world that exists outside my nation, and to support marginalized people everywhere. This is, in part, a result of my superior educational background. But it also has a lot to due with the compassion that is part and parcel of being a political progressive in this backwards country. (I really should have left for Canada years ago, when I had the chance.)
As any highly-educated and intelligent progressive will tell you, one of the most frustrating things we repeatedly encounter is resistance from marginalized populations to our efforts to improve their situations. The people of the Kalahari Desert, often referred to as “Bushmen” or “San,” are a case in point.
Starting in the 1970’s, thinking people began to use the name “San” to refer to this group of people, especially in the academic literature, in an attempt cast off the legacy of racism and sexism inherent in the use of the term “Bushmen.” In the past half century, the San have suffered immensely due to forced relocation from their ancestral homes and to their abandonment of a hunter-gatherer lifestyle in favor of a pastoral one. But words can be even more powerful than actions, so it was incumbent upon American intellectuals to try to end the indignity of being called “Bushmen” for these people. I can’t help but think that if this project had been started in the 1950’s, rather than the 1970’s, the plight of the San today would be vastly superior to the current reality.
Nonetheless, despite our best efforts, many San today reject the use of the term “San” to describe themselves and, almost unimaginably, prefer to be called “Bushmen.” (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-24821867 ) To these people, the term “San” is seen as more offensive than “Bushmen,” as “San” was a pejorative term historically used by their pastoralist Khoikhoi rivals.
How should we progressives respond to this situation?
First, we need to keep educating the San that their full adoption of the term “San” to describe themselves would be in their best interest. I believe that the key to accomplishing this is to bring rigorous education in intersectional theory to the San. We should inform the San of the countless evil acts perpetrated by white people over the past millennia. And we need to explain to the San that the Khoikhoi, despite their historical animosity to the San, are fellow people of color and should be thought of as allies, rather than as rivals. Once this is established, I think there is a high probability that all San will accept the name “San” as a self-description, even if it once was used by their former rivals to degrade them as “lowly foragers.”
Second, we need to recognize that even our renewed efforts to put the term “Bushmen” out to pasture may not be successful. Internalized oppression, unfortunately, is a very real and powerful thing, and there is a possibility that some of the San will cling to the term “Bushmen” like a rural Pennsylvanian clings to xis guns and religion. If after a period of, perhaps, five years, a large number of San still insist on going by the term “Bushmen,” then we will have to accept their choice.
But that does NOT mean we would have to stop advocating for San interests. If some San are going to keep referring to themselves as “Bushmen,” then we must recognize that it was racist whites who gave them this name. And we white people have a duty to do everything in our power to minimize the negative attributes of the name that we gave them. As nobody, least of all people of color, deserves the indignity of sharing a name with our forty-third President, the members of the Bush family will need to relinquish their privileged surname. (May I suggest “Forager” as a replacement?) And the sexist spelling convention needs to end: It will be “Bushmxn” and “Bushmyn,” rather than “Bushman” and “Bushmen,” from here on out.


 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 Dec 17 6.23pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Sheks Crows Eye

So many unhinged bigots there are in the west, just looking for more reasons to rid ourselves of the "brown man."

Unlike most Americans, I actually make an attempt to understand the world that exists outside my nation, and to support marginalized people everywhere. This is, in part, a result of my superior educational background. But it also has a lot to due with the compassion that is part and parcel of being a political progressive in this backwards country. (I really should have left for Canada years ago, when I had the chance.)
As any highly-educated and intelligent progressive will tell you, one of the most frustrating things we repeatedly encounter is resistance from marginalized populations to our efforts to improve their situations. The people of the Kalahari Desert, often referred to as “Bushmen” or “San,” are a case in point.
Starting in the 1970’s, thinking people began to use the name “San” to refer to this group of people, especially in the academic literature, in an attempt cast off the legacy of racism and sexism inherent in the use of the term “Bushmen.” In the past half century, the San have suffered immensely due to forced relocation from their ancestral homes and to their abandonment of a hunter-gatherer lifestyle in favor of a pastoral one. But words can be even more powerful than actions, so it was incumbent upon American intellectuals to try to end the indignity of being called “Bushmen” for these people. I can’t help but think that if this project had been started in the 1950’s, rather than the 1970’s, the plight of the San today would be vastly superior to the current reality.
Nonetheless, despite our best efforts, many San today reject the use of the term “San” to describe themselves and, almost unimaginably, prefer to be called “Bushmen.” (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-24821867 ) To these people, the term “San” is seen as more offensive than “Bushmen,” as “San” was a pejorative term historically used by their pastoralist Khoikhoi rivals.
How should we progressives respond to this situation?
First, we need to keep educating the San that their full adoption of the term “San” to describe themselves would be in their best interest. I believe that the key to accomplishing this is to bring rigorous education in intersectional theory to the San. We should inform the San of the countless evil acts perpetrated by white people over the past millennia. And we need to explain to the San that the Khoikhoi, despite their historical animosity to the San, are fellow people of color and should be thought of as allies, rather than as rivals. Once this is established, I think there is a high probability that all San will accept the name “San” as a self-description, even if it once was used by their former rivals to degrade them as “lowly foragers.”
Second, we need to recognize that even our renewed efforts to put the term “Bushmen” out to pasture may not be successful. Internalized oppression, unfortunately, is a very real and powerful thing, and there is a possibility that some of the San will cling to the term “Bushmen” like a rural Pennsylvanian clings to xis guns and religion. If after a period of, perhaps, five years, a large number of San still insist on going by the term “Bushmen,” then we will have to accept their choice.
But that does NOT mean we would have to stop advocating for San interests. If some San are going to keep referring to themselves as “Bushmen,” then we must recognize that it was racist whites who gave them this name. And we white people have a duty to do everything in our power to minimize the negative attributes of the name that we gave them. As nobody, least of all people of color, deserves the indignity of sharing a name with our forty-third President, the members of the Bush family will need to relinquish their privileged surname. (May I suggest “Forager” as a replacement?) And the sexist spelling convention needs to end: It will be “Bushmxn” and “Bushmyn,” rather than “Bushman” and “Bushmen,” from here on out.


Bush Persons.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 Dec 17 6.27pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That would be true if there were a thousand from one group and one from another.
It is a meaningless statement.

You also seem to be obsessed with one aspect, obviously hoping to avoid any others.

Well breaking news this evening is that Manchester was preventable but not enough manpower meant things weren't done quickly enough.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 Dec 17 6.42pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Well breaking news this evening is that Manchester was preventable but not enough manpower meant things weren't done quickly enough.

Don't tell me...
They would have all been saved if Jeremy was in charge.

Amazing how low people will go for party politics don't you think?

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 Dec 17 6.49pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Don't tell me...
They would have all been saved if Jeremy was in charge.

Amazing how low people will go for party politics don't you think?

Oh dear. Some whatabouttery. If that's the game I shall riposte with...

Edited by nickgusset (05 Dec 2017 6.51pm)

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset

Oh dear. Some whatabouttery.

Where? I missed it.

Ed who?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Dec 2017 6.52pm)

 

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 05 Dec 17 7.08pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Don't tell me...
They would have all been saved if Jeremy was in charge.

Amazing how low people will go for party politics don't you think?

I am afraid the answer is probably ......yes.

 


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