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Ray in Houston Houston 06 Dec 17 9.11pm
Originally posted by thegreatlardino really you dont say! you would never have our politicans doing that He's working on a shutdown of the Federal government too, having already explained to the press how he will blame it on Democrats (who have pretty much zero power in Washington currently). Distract, distract, distract. It's why war with North Korea is almost inevitable, with the first shots being fired at the same time that Bob Mueller is fired. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Originally posted by thegreatlardino

really you dont say! you would never have our politicans doing that

He's working on a shutdown of the Federal government too, having already explained to the press how he will blame it on Democrats (who have pretty much zero power in Washington currently).

Distract, distract, distract. It's why war with North Korea is almost inevitable, with the first shots being fired at the same time that Bob Mueller is fired.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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kenbarr Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 06 Dec 17 9.16pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston There was at least a fig leaf of neutrality, with the option of using the US's financial support of Israel as a lever. Now, any shred of impartiality is gone and will never be recovered. Jerusalem is a nightmare, being ground zero for three religions, all believing in the same God but with differing opinions on who Jesus was. Fully agree and now the U.S. has lost whatever diplomatic leverage it had in the region. Add to that, Kushner is our lead negotiator? How are they trying to kid? Divorced...And LOVING it! VJRAM Rev. CPFC since Boxing Day 1989 CPFC 2-2 CFC Gregg Berhalter, US International & USMNT Head Coach Jill Ellis, England International & Retired USWNT Head Coach Trevor Francis, International PRAT
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Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 06 Dec 17 9.16pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

There was at least a fig leaf of neutrality, with the option of using the US's financial support of Israel as a lever. Now, any shred of impartiality is gone and will never be recovered.

Jerusalem is a nightmare, being ground zero for three religions, all believing in the same God but with differing opinions on who Jesus was.

Fully agree and now the U.S. has lost whatever diplomatic leverage it had in the region. Add to that, Kushner is our lead negotiator? How are they trying to kid?

Divorced...And LOVING it!
VJRAM Rev.
CPFC since Boxing Day 1989 CPFC 2-2 CFC
Gregg Berhalter, US International & USMNT Head Coach
Jill Ellis, England International & Retired USWNT Head Coach
Trevor Francis, International PRAT

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wordup 06 Dec 17 9.20pm
Trump routinely makes decisions that will likely escalate conflict. He does it at home and away, as way of distracting from his own ever worsening myriad of problems. Regardless of your view on this issue, know that he isn't doing it for the benefit of anyone.
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06 Dec 17 9.20pm

Trump routinely makes decisions that will likely escalate conflict. He does it at home and away, as way of distracting from his own ever worsening myriad of problems. Regardless of your view on this issue, know that he isn't doing it for the benefit of anyone.

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Ray in Houston Houston 06 Dec 17 9.21pm
Originally posted by kenbarr Fully agree and now the U.S. has lost whatever diplomatic leverage it had in the region. Add to that, Kushner is our lead negotiator? How are they trying to kid? As it turns out, among the gahzillion items that Jared failed to declare on his security application, was the fact that he is an investor in an Israeli company that builds homes in the occupied territories. No conflict of interest there, though...right? We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Houston 06 Dec 17 9.21pm

Originally posted by kenbarr

Fully agree and now the U.S. has lost whatever diplomatic leverage it had in the region. Add to that, Kushner is our lead negotiator? How are they trying to kid?

As it turns out, among the gahzillion items that Jared failed to declare on his security application, was the fact that he is an investor in an Israeli company that builds homes in the occupied territories.

No conflict of interest there, though...right?

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Ray in Houston Houston 06 Dec 17 9.23pm
Originally posted by wordup Trump routinely makes decisions that will likely escalate conflict. He does it at home and away, as way of distracting from his own ever worsening myriad of problems. Regardless of your view on this issue, know that he isn't doing it for the benefit of anyone. I vacillate constantly between thinking he's a Machiavellian genius, an incorrigible s*-stirrer and a complete fwit. In the end, I suspect that we'll discover it's a bit of all three. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa*ing with a football.
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Ray in Houston

Houston 06 Dec 17 9.23pm

Originally posted by wordup

I vacillate constantly between thinking he's a Machiavellian genius, an incorrigible s***-stirrer and a complete f***wit.

In the end, I suspect that we'll discover it's a bit of all three.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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johnno42000 06 Dec 17 9.26pm
Aren't a lot of the evangelical Christians in America very pro-Israel as they believe that God gave Israel to the Jewish people? Perhaps Trump is pandering to them a bit as well. I am so glad I am a pagan. 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'
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06 Dec 17 9.26pm

Aren't a lot of the evangelical Christians in America very pro-Israel as they believe that God gave Israel to the Jewish people? Perhaps Trump is pandering to them a bit as well. I am so glad I am a pagan.

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 06 Dec 17 9.36pm
I thought Trump was "literally Hitler"! I don't think the Fuhrer would have done this somehow.
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Beckenham 06 Dec 17 9.36pm

I thought Trump was "literally Hitler"! I don't think the Fuhrer would have done this somehow.

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Stirlingsays 06 Dec 17 9.40pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle I thought Trump was "literally Hitler"! I don't think the Fuhrer would have done this somehow. The fact that a lot of them weren't joking shows just how hyperbolically stupid they were and still are. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Dec 17 9.40pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

I thought Trump was "literally Hitler"! I don't think the Fuhrer would have done this somehow.

The fact that a lot of them weren't joking shows just how hyperbolically stupid they were and still are.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Ray in Houston Houston 06 Dec 17 9.40pm
Originally posted by johnno42000 Aren't a lot of the evangelical Christians in America very pro-Israel as they believe that God gave Israel to the Jewish people? Perhaps Trump is pandering to them a bit as well. I am so glad I am a pagan. I think evangelical Christians are pro-the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, because they think it's part of the end times that will bring about the rapture. Basically, they're all wishing for the end of the world because they will get taken up into the bosom of God while the rest of us burn in hell. Which is nice. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Ray in Houston

Houston 06 Dec 17 9.40pm

Originally posted by johnno42000

I think evangelical Christians are pro-the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, because they think it's part of the end times that will bring about the rapture.

Basically, they're all wishing for the end of the world because they will get taken up into the bosom of God while the rest of us burn in hell. Which is nice.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Stirlingsays 06 Dec 17 9.42pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston I think evangelical Christians are pro-the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, because they think it's part of the end times that will bring about the rapture. Basically, they're all wishing for the end of the world because they will get taken up into the bosom of God while the rest of us burn in hell. Which is nice. That's as dim as saying all Sunni Muslims support Islamic state running a caliphate. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Dec 17 9.42pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

I think evangelical Christians are pro-the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, because they think it's part of the end times that will bring about the rapture.

Basically, they're all wishing for the end of the world because they will get taken up into the bosom of God while the rest of us burn in hell. Which is nice.

That's as dim as saying all Sunni Muslims support Islamic state running a caliphate.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Ray in Houston Houston 06 Dec 17 9.49pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays That's as dim as saying all Sunni Muslims support Islamic state running a caliphate. Or an opinion informed by actually living here - for 25 years - in Texas: the buckle of the bible belt. Also, smart people have studied this and concluded that you need to get out more or pontificate less. [Link] We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Houston 06 Dec 17 9.49pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

That's as dim as saying all Sunni Muslims support Islamic state running a caliphate.

Or an opinion informed by actually living here - for 25 years - in Texas: the buckle of the bible belt.

Also, smart people have studied this and concluded that you need to get out more or pontificate less. [Link]

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Stirlingsays 06 Dec 17 9.55pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Or an opinion informed by actually living here - for 25 years - in Texas: the buckle of the bible belt. Also, smart people have studied this and concluded that you need to get out more or pontificate less. [Link] Probably about 40 percent sounds about right. Problem is you said, 'I think evangelical Christians are pro-the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, because they think it's part of the end times that will bring about the rapture.'. The reality is that it is less than half. You should have said, a 'significant minority' of evangelical Christians'. Just giving you back some of that 'progressive' BS you sign up for......but only for the groups you like of course. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Dec 17 9.55pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Or an opinion informed by actually living here - for 25 years - in Texas: the buckle of the bible belt.

Also, smart people have studied this and concluded that you need to get out more or pontificate less. [Link]

Probably about 40 percent sounds about right.

Problem is you said, 'I think evangelical Christians are pro-the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, because they think it's part of the end times that will bring about the rapture.'.

The reality is that it is less than half.

You should have said, a 'significant minority' of evangelical Christians'.

Just giving you back some of that 'progressive' BS you sign up for......but only for the groups you like of course.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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