I have sympathy for your argument outside of the creation of Israel and the land it won in subsequent wars.

The problem is though is that if someone is going to state to me that it's ok to kill an Israeli then I'm not going to tell the Israelis that they can't kill in return.

It like those b******s saying that it was ok for the IRA to murder my half brother when he was in the army on his two tours of Ireland.

I don't see violence as being anything like an effective response to the Jews building on that land....indeed it gives them cover.

Having said that, I didn't agree with the fairness of the creation of Israel.....however, once it was created and filled with millions of Jews they had a right to also defend themselves.

I have a shoulder shrug attitude towards the wars that happened afterwards.....if the Arabs had won back that land then the bloodbath that would have followed would have been terrible but....it's what happens, as in India when pakistan was created.

However, Israel won those wars.....I would have liked a two state solution....but the extremists on both sides ensured that was never going to happen.

I view the whole thing as a tragedy for one set of people and victory for another......It's not fair, however I'm not sure what would be at this point either.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I support a fair country called Israel but cannot support policies which involve the murder of thousands of children over the last few decades and which pander to religious extremists.

I see their hard-right leaders as criminals overseeing a partly rogue state (the occupied territories) involved in the committing of state-sanctioned terrorist acts via the IDF and airforce.

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That is a terrible comparison. Terrible and shameful. Israelis react they don't randomly, systematically or recklessly send indiscriminate bombs into the other side of the border. Neither do they capture innocent Israelis off the street and torture them on the basis of a political agenda.

They react to murder. An objective historical understanding of what Palestine really is may be a start.

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You might want to read this by amnesty. Israelis are not just reactionaries but instigators.

It is an invalid and lazy comparison.

Israel illegally occupies the occupied territories and has committed unjustified violence against Palestinians and dispossessed them of land.Palestinians have at times committed inappropriate violence against Israelis.

Israeli actions might legitimately be characterised as brutal oppression at times,but in a context where the oppressed reject the Israeli's legal right to self- determination in the region at all.To compare that to the near unique industrial slaughter of 6 million is inappropriate.

The holocaust might be better compared to our actions in N America and Australia.To lightly compare it to situations such as Palestine undermines the unique evils of genocide.And brutal and oppressive though Israel has at times been,it has not been genocidal.A closer example to genocidal- like behaviour in the region has been seen in actions towards the Yazidis.

Going back to the thread more generally,Trump's stance on Jerusalem is wholly inappropriate and unhelpful (as is Netanyahu's).

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Reading this thread makes me more convinced than ever that Jerusalem should not belong to ay country, let alone be a capital city. A place of Jerusalem's importance to many religions should not belong to any political entity.

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