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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Dec 17 7.57pm
Originally posted by pefwin about 15 seconds? Some of us can remember further back than that.
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Originally posted by pefwin

about 15 seconds?

Some of us can remember further back than that.

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Ray in Houston Houston 11 Dec 17 8.06pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I can't speak about the States. To say that daily helping of murders are down to better reporting is ridiculous. I'm saying that the wall-to-wall reporting - including having it pushed to a device in your pocket through social media (and football fan sites) - may be giving people a skewed sense of actual crime. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I can't speak about the States. To say that daily helping of murders are down to better reporting is ridiculous.

I'm saying that the wall-to-wall reporting - including having it pushed to a device in your pocket through social media (and football fan sites) - may be giving people a skewed sense of actual crime.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Stirlingsays 11 Dec 17 8.28pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston I'm saying that the wall-to-wall reporting - including having it pushed to a device in your pocket through social media (and football fan sites) - may be giving people a skewed sense of actual crime. You have spoken about far right groups being a problem in America previously. McVeigh wasn't acting on behalf of a group, but he was from that American anti state mindset. Who are these groups that are attacking and killing people? Why aren't they being prosecuted? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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11 Dec 17 8.28pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

I'm saying that the wall-to-wall reporting - including having it pushed to a device in your pocket through social media (and football fan sites) - may be giving people a skewed sense of actual crime.

You have spoken about far right groups being a problem in America previously.

McVeigh wasn't acting on behalf of a group, but he was from that American anti state mindset.

Who are these groups that are attacking and killing people?

Why aren't they being prosecuted?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Dec 17 8.36pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston I'm saying that the wall-to-wall reporting - including having it pushed to a device in your pocket through social media (and football fan sites) - may be giving people a skewed sense of actual crime. So the problem is that people know about it rather than the crime itself?
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11 Dec 17 8.36pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

I'm saying that the wall-to-wall reporting - including having it pushed to a device in your pocket through social media (and football fan sites) - may be giving people a skewed sense of actual crime.

So the problem is that people know about it rather than the crime itself?

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 11 Dec 17 9.13pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Ok how about major crime wave in London during the 1940's? Not forgetting all those abused kids around the country in children's homes and religious schools. Or what about the tremendous street violence of the 70's: skinheads, NF, hooliganism and the same way back with Mosley's lot? Then there are the razor gangs of the 50's. And the amount of IRA incidences were a lot worse than any other terrorist group so far. Not an immigrant in sight. Razor gangs of the 50s lol You live in cuckoo land mate Edited by Tom-the-eagle (11 Dec 2017 9.14pm) "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Croydon 11 Dec 17 9.13pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Ok how about major crime wave in London during the 1940's? Not forgetting all those abused kids around the country in children's homes and religious schools. Or what about the tremendous street violence of the 70's: skinheads, NF, hooliganism and the same way back with Mosley's lot? Then there are the razor gangs of the 50's. And the amount of IRA incidences were a lot worse than any other terrorist group so far.

Not an immigrant in sight.

Razor gangs of the 50s lol

You live in cuckoo land mate

Edited by Tom-the-eagle (11 Dec 2017 9.14pm)

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Ray in Houston Houston 11 Dec 17 9.58pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You have spoken about far right groups being a problem in America previously. McVeigh wasn't acting on behalf of a group, but he was from that American anti state mindset. Who are these groups that are attacking and killing people? Why aren't they being prosecuted? McVeigh was caught up with the patriot movement, was hanging out at the Waco siege and was on the gun show circuit. He had accomplices in his actions. Today's NYC bomber doesn't appear to be part of a an organized group. That doesn't stop what he did from being terrorism. The same as McVeigh, who was retaliating against the Federal government on the anniversary of the tragic end to the Waco siege. When people commit crimes, they are prosecuted. Can't get 'em before they commit a crime though, the Magna Carta says so. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Houston 11 Dec 17 9.58pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You have spoken about far right groups being a problem in America previously.

McVeigh wasn't acting on behalf of a group, but he was from that American anti state mindset.

Who are these groups that are attacking and killing people?

Why aren't they being prosecuted?

McVeigh was caught up with the patriot movement, was hanging out at the Waco siege and was on the gun show circuit. He had accomplices in his actions.

Today's NYC bomber doesn't appear to be part of a an organized group. That doesn't stop what he did from being terrorism. The same as McVeigh, who was retaliating against the Federal government on the anniversary of the tragic end to the Waco siege.

When people commit crimes, they are prosecuted. Can't get 'em before they commit a crime though, the Magna Carta says so.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Ray in Houston Houston 11 Dec 17 10.05pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So the problem is that people know about it rather than the crime itself? The point I am making is that, if people perceive crime to be worse now than "back in the day", when, back in the day, news was taken - if at all - from a national daily newspaper in the morning, the evening newspaper in the evening and the news on telly at 9 or 10 (depending on your preference), and now it's blasted at you every moment of every day from a vast array of sources, it makes it seem that crime is worse than it actually is. Trump made a big part of his campaign - and his inaugural speech - about the fact that the streets aren't safe anymore. "American carnage" he called it. People might sense that this is true, because it feels right from what they see and hear in the news - where every incident from near and far is piped directly into your brain - but the truth is that violent crime and murder have reduced steadily and significantly over the last 20 years. For further proof, note that Trump has done exactly f* all to reduce violent crime in over a year as President. He did sign a bill to allow mental people to buy guns, though. Edited by Ray in Houston (11 Dec 2017 10.08pm) We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just waing with a football.
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Houston 11 Dec 17 10.05pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So the problem is that people know about it rather than the crime itself?

The point I am making is that, if people perceive crime to be worse now than "back in the day", when, back in the day, news was taken - if at all - from a national daily newspaper in the morning, the evening newspaper in the evening and the news on telly at 9 or 10 (depending on your preference), and now it's blasted at you every moment of every day from a vast array of sources, it makes it seem that crime is worse than it actually is.

Trump made a big part of his campaign - and his inaugural speech - about the fact that the streets aren't safe anymore. "American carnage" he called it. People might sense that this is true, because it feels right from what they see and hear in the news - where every incident from near and far is piped directly into your brain - but the truth is that violent crime and murder have reduced steadily and significantly over the last 20 years.

For further proof, note that Trump has done exactly f*** all to reduce violent crime in over a year as President. He did sign a bill to allow mental people to buy guns, though.

Edited by Ray in Houston (11 Dec 2017 10.08pm)

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 11 Dec 17 11.15pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston I'm saying that the wall-to-wall reporting - including having it pushed to a device in your pocket through social media (and football fan sites) - may be giving people a skewed sense of actual crime. LOL.. Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 11 Dec 17 11.15pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

I'm saying that the wall-to-wall reporting - including having it pushed to a device in your pocket through social media (and football fan sites) - may be giving people a skewed sense of actual crime.

LOL..

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 11 Dec 17 11.21pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 You might know him I actually count a lot of Bangladeshi's I know as friends. Most of them in the wholesale garment trade so I meet quite a few rather than knowing just Mr Bishwash at the local Paper shop. A lot of them are actually Hindu rather than Muslim Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 11 Dec 17 11.21pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

You might know him

I actually count a lot of Bangladeshi's I know as friends. Most of them in the wholesale garment trade so I meet quite a few rather than knowing just Mr Bishwash at the local Paper shop. A lot of them are actually Hindu rather than Muslim

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Stirlingsays 12 Dec 17 3.53am
Originally posted by Ray in Houston McVeigh was caught up with the patriot movement, was hanging out at the Waco siege and was on the gun show circuit. He had accomplices in his actions. Today's NYC bomber doesn't appear to be part of a an organized group. That doesn't stop what he did from being terrorism. The same as McVeigh, who was retaliating against the Federal government on the anniversary of the tragic end to the Waco siege. When people commit crimes, they are prosecuted. Can't get 'em before they commit a crime though, the Magna Carta says so. You aren't answering the honestly put question. While McVeigh wasn't working with any group, despite people constantly feeling the need to connect him I agree his actions fit the definition of terrorism as they were ideologically driven. If you or others are going to equate these American far right groups with Islamic terrorists, despite the group size realities, then I'll actually like to know if this is a valid comparison. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Dec 17 3.53am

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

McVeigh was caught up with the patriot movement, was hanging out at the Waco siege and was on the gun show circuit. He had accomplices in his actions.

When people commit crimes, they are prosecuted. Can't get 'em before they commit a crime though, the Magna Carta says so.

You aren't answering the honestly put question.

While McVeigh wasn't working with any group, despite people constantly feeling the need to connect him I agree his actions fit the definition of terrorism as they were ideologically driven.

If you or others are going to equate these American far right groups with Islamic terrorists, despite the group size realities, then I'll actually like to know if this is a valid comparison.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Kermit8 Hevon 12 Dec 17 9.35am
Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle Razor gangs of the 50s lol You live in cuckoo land mate Edited by Tom-the-eagle (11 Dec 2017 9.14pm) Well spotted Tom. It was the 1930's not '50's. [Link] Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 12 Dec 17 9.35am

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Razor gangs of the 50s lol

You live in cuckoo land mate

Edited by Tom-the-eagle (11 Dec 2017 9.14pm)

Well spotted Tom. It was the 1930's not '50's.

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Big chest and massive boobs

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hedgehog50 Croydon 12 Dec 17 10.29am
Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle Razor gangs of the 50s lol You live in cuckoo land mate Edited by Tom-the-eagle (11 Dec 2017 9.14pm) More grooming? We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 12 Dec 17 10.29am

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Razor gangs of the 50s lol

You live in cuckoo land mate

Edited by Tom-the-eagle (11 Dec 2017 9.14pm)

More grooming?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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