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View Pembroke's Profile Pembroke Flag Bristol 20 Jan 22 9.36pm Send a Private Message to Pembroke Add Pembroke as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle


Not part of its mission. Its website states "At HOPE not hate, our mission is to work tirelessly to expose and oppose far-right extremism."

On their website its states HOW WE WORK. HOPE not hate exists to challenge all kinds of extremism. They also state they want to counter hate and build inclusive communities.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 20 Jan 22 9.44pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Pembroke

On their website its states HOW WE WORK. HOPE not hate exists to challenge all kinds of extremism. They also state they want to counter hate and build inclusive communities.

We all know what that means. I'm sure the Nazis had similar catchy slogans.

 

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View Ketteridge's Profile Ketteridge Flag Brighton 20 Jan 22 9.56pm Send a Private Message to Ketteridge Add Ketteridge as a friend

Hope not Hate would need to be a creditor to be able to apply for an Insolvency Practitioner to be appointed, when Tommy Robinson applied for Bankruptcy an Official Receiver would be appointed by The Insolvency Service which is a government body. The Creditors can then decide if they want to appoint an independent Insolvency Practitioner or not, if the creditors feel it worth shelling out IPs can investigate further. The Official Receiver is a civil servant limited for time and resources while an IP works for a private company so basically you get a fuller service at a cost.
HMRC are a preffered creditor so it is possible they don't want to pursue it further becasue what they are owed is covered by the assets he has declared or don't feel the additional cost is worth the value of the outstanding tax bill.
In Robinsons case the largest Creditors appear to be the legal fees, I've not seen either way whether Hope Not Hate funded the legal fees for Jamal Hijazi or not but if they have they are entitled to try and get there money back which is owing to them from the court ruling.
To be fair the courts are n't stupid if he has signed over a lot of assets to his missus after the court ruling, divorces her straight away and then files for bankruptcy they can see through that and won't sign off on the bankruptcy.

Edited by Ketteridge (20 Jan 2022 10.11pm)

 


One supporter of hacking argued that without it "you will do away with the courage and pluck of the game, and I will be bound to bring over a lot of Frenchmen who would beat you with a week's practice -Blackheath secretary at first meeting of the F.A

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View Ketteridge's Profile Ketteridge Flag Brighton 20 Jan 22 10.09pm Send a Private Message to Ketteridge Add Ketteridge as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Robinson lost his libel case so I would say mission accomplished for the charity.

Taking the lead in going after his money seems vindictive. They were not not the aggrieved party in the lawsuit but chose to fund the legal case for the young man and are entitled to recover their costs but it is the optics which do not look good.

The taxman is a big boy and should take point in investigating if Robinson is hiding any money if he is by default they would get their funds back.

I am not saying they have done anything wrong but it doesn't look good that they are leading the charge it would have been better to let the other creditors do that whilst taking the moral high ground that what they were concerned with defeating him in court not ruining a man financially.

If true I hope Robinson and his wife do get done to many people use bankruptcy to jettison their debts at the expense of others.


As said in my last post I don't think it is really HMRC case to fight, I think if the amount owing is fairly clear they tend to persue it but that is my assumption.
I agree with you last sentenance, people do get away with it because either the cost of employing an Insolvency Practitioner is too great or the likely return is too low for each individual to persue

 


One supporter of hacking argued that without it "you will do away with the courage and pluck of the game, and I will be bound to bring over a lot of Frenchmen who would beat you with a week's practice -Blackheath secretary at first meeting of the F.A

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Well according to this story the major terrorist threat is from the Far Right.


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I hope the Met are not taking their eye off the ball. If they have credible evidence of plotting fair enough none of us want to see any terrorist attacks.

However if the "rise" of the far right is actually teachers reporting little Johnny because he's dad says Nigel Farage is the best well.....

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

Well according to this story the major terrorist threat is from the Far Right.


[Link]

I hope the Met are not taking their eye off the ball. If they have credible evidence of plotting fair enough none of us want to see any terrorist attacks.

However if the "rise" of the far right is actually teachers reporting little Johnny because he's dad says Nigel Farage is the best well.....

Any look at UK terrorism statistics shows just how much of a lie the article is. This 'journalist' names groups as a threat which have specific non violence written into their constitution.

Like people comparing opposition to global village politics they seek to exaggerate the ideas of those opposed to them in a bid to create fear. But lying doesn't get better because you believe you're right.

Essentially it's the neo liberal playbook....they create the problems and then accuse you of being extreme when you react against them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Jan 2022 10.46am)

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

Well according to this story the major terrorist threat is from the Far Right.

[Link]

I hope the Met are not taking their eye off the ball. If they have credible evidence of plotting fair enough none of us want to see any terrorist attacks.

However if the "rise" of the far right is actually teachers reporting little Johnny because he's dad says Nigel Farage is the best well.....

The Met don't even acknowledge that there is a ball.

 

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Originally posted by Badger11

Well according to this story the major terrorist threat is from the Far Right.


[Link]

I hope the Met are not taking their eye off the ball. If they have credible evidence of plotting fair enough none of us want to see any terrorist attacks.

However if the "rise" of the far right is actually teachers reporting little Johnny because he's dad says Nigel Farage is the best well.....

Not very likely is it? A report in the far from left-wing Mail which mentions the activities of the "Patriotic Alliance" and the "national Front" in Havering seems to indicate it's rather more than that. Of course, some think these organisations are benign and present no danger to anyone. Experts in security, no doubt with better information than any of us, disagree.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 30 Jan 22 2.24pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Any look at UK terrorism statistics shows just how much of a lie the article is. This 'journalist' names groups as a threat which have specific non violence written into their constitution.

Like people comparing opposition to global village politics they seek to exaggerate the ideas of those opposed to them in a bid to create fear. But lying doesn't get better because you believe you're right.

Essentially it's the neo liberal playbook....they create the problems and then accuse you of being extreme when you react against them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Jan 2022 10.46am)

An organisation can write whatever it likes in its constitution. It's a useful tool of denial whenever members misbehave. I suspect that the intelligence services, including those of the Met, who wrote this report, and MI5 who have previously said much the same, know what they are talking about. They don't say this kind of thing for no reason. They almost certainly have sources embedded in the organisations and ways of listening to their communications. So I think we can trust them.

Objecting to the political direction being taken by the country is a perfectly legitimate activity. No security service would raise any concerns over that. This has to be something else.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 30 Jan 22 2.42pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Not very likely is it? A report in the far from left-wing Mail which mentions the activities of the "Patriotic Alliance" and the "national Front" in Havering seems to indicate it's rather more than that. Of course, some think these organisations are benign and present no danger to anyone. Experts in security, no doubt with better information than any of us, disagree.

Its already happen on multiple occasions. Teachers reporting children to the Prevent scheme for comments from kids supporting Trump and Farage.

I just hope you are correct that they are focusing on groups based on real intelligence and not some PR exercise because they don't wish to offend others.

The threat of the far Right on this country has always been vastly exaggerated because it suits the left to have an enemy and often suits the authorities for various reasons.

Tommy Robinson the big bogey man of the left only managed to get 2% of the vote. Hardly the rise of the far right.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

An organisation can write whatever it likes in its constitution. It's a useful tool of denial whenever members misbehave. I suspect that the intelligence services, including those of the Met, who wrote this report, and MI5 who have previously said much the same, know what they are talking about. They don't say this kind of thing for no reason. They almost certainly have sources embedded in the organisations and ways of listening to their communications. So I think we can trust them.

Objecting to the political direction being taken by the country is a perfectly legitimate activity. No security service would raise any concerns over that. This has to be something else.

Yeah, that's right, you can trust intelligence services.

They don't exaggerate or lie.

Yeah, you see the stuff you're writing here is the very essence of truth....which everyone can see you care deeply about.

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

Its already happen on multiple occasions. Teachers reporting children to the Prevent scheme for comments from kids supporting Trump and Farage.

I just hope you are correct that they are focusing on groups based on real intelligence and not some PR exercise because they don't wish to offend others.

The threat of the far Right on this country has always been vastly exaggerated because it suits the left to have an enemy and often suits the authorities for various reasons.

Tommy Robinson the big bogey man of the left only managed to get 2% of the vote. Hardly the rise of the far right.

I don't think MI5 are going to be interested in tittle-tattle. Or in pandering to the left. They have more than enough to do. So you can be confident that if they say this is a concern, then it is.

That those who sympathise with the far right will deny it is only to be expected.

 


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