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 Teddy Eagle  21 Mar 23 10.09pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Thanks. That report though is light on context. We don't know why the fathers were arrested, what happened before or after, or what else the police did. Likewise, we don't know whether the victims were actually arrested for their own protection, if they were refusing to leave of their own free will, Nor do we know why no action was taken against the alleged perpetrators. The problem with allegations is that nasty thing called evidence and if the victims don't see themselves as victims, then gathering it in sufficient quality to gain convictions isn't as easy as some seem to imagine. But it wasn't apocryphal.
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 georgenorman  21 Mar 23 10.14pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
Question for WE....if it was your daughter, being abused and raped, you knew where she was, you would just call the police and wait while they made up their minds???? Or would you act (like most fathers) and get seriously involved?? Theses kind of people would tell their daughters to be nice to all Muslims, as their need to virtue-signal their support of their delusional view of multi-cultural harmony is more important to them than the welfare of their children. Edited by georgenorman (21 Mar 2023 10.22pm)
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| georgenorman 21 Mar 23 10.25pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Thanks. That report though is light on context. We don't know why the fathers were arrested, what happened before or after, or what else the police did. Likewise, we don't know whether the victims were actually arrested for their own protection, if they were refusing to leave of their own free will, Nor do we know why no action was taken against the alleged perpetrators. The problem with allegations is that nasty thing called evidence and if the victims don't see themselves as victims, then gathering it in sufficient quality to gain convictions isn't as easy as some seem to imagine. Evidence is put right under his nose by Teddy Eagle - yet he still tries to deny it and persists in his madness. Edited by georgenorman (21 Mar 2023 10.27pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 23 10.42pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
Question for WE....if it was your daughter, being abused and raped, you knew where she was, you would just call the police and wait while they made up their minds???? Or would you act (like most fathers) and get seriously involved?? I cannot imagine that ever being a real scenario. My daughters always let me know where they were, and either my wife or myself would pick them up. Until they were at least 18. My understanding of the way these gangs work is to prey on vulnerable youngsters, and groom them, rather than to abduct, abuse and rape. But, in the unlikely event of them being abducted, abused and raped, there is no way I would know where they were, unless they managed to call or text me in some way. As mobile phones didn't exist when my children were that age, that wouldn't have happened. If it happened today I would certainly go to the premises and let my daughter know I was outside, but allow the police to do their job. Back in my day I had good connections with my local police station and knew they could be relied upon. What it's like now I don't know but around here I would be very sure of an immediate response. I am not someone whoever takes direct action. I enquire, negotiate and pressurise. I have always used my brain to achieve outcomes and never my fists.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 23 10.57pm |
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I know what the investigations revealed, what failures the police have accepted and the sensational headlines that they made in the newspapers. There is though also another large piece to the jigsaw, which is the background of the victims, the breakdown in our society which created that background and the severe under funding of a social service response to it which could have helped prevent it. This wasn't just a police failure. It was, and is, a societal failure. It's far too simplistic to play the blame game and think that all the responsibility rests on police failures. We have failed the girls. We have also failed to recognise early enough the dangers of a culture that allows some to believe such disgusting behaviour is acceptable. Alongside detection and punishment must be education and support going forward, or the problem will never be eradicated.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 21 Mar 23 11.03pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
i suspect that there are many interpretations of that. ''teaching people a lesson , they will never forget'' there are many who would disagree with giving gang-rapists a cup of tea, a biscuit and a nice 5 minute chat.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 23 11.03pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Evidence is put right under his nose by Teddy Eagle - yet he still tries to deny it and persists in his madness. Edited by georgenorman (21 Mar 2023 10.27pm) That's the problem with people like you, and newspapers like the Mail. Accusations are not evidence. Knowing something has happened is very different to being able to prove it has. I don't doubt for a moment that these crimes are real, and the stories are true. Proving that in a Court, with a clever defence barrister throwing spanners in the works at every turn, isn't straightforward.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 23 11.13pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
i suspect that there are many interpretations of that. ''teaching people a lesson , they will never forget'' there are many who would disagree with giving gang-rapists a cup of tea, a biscuit and a nice 5 minute chat. I don't think there are ANY who actually believe that is an answer. The softly, softly approach was never aimed at the rapists themselves but at the wider communities they hide in. Getting those communities on our side and willing to provide evidence, rather than alienate them, and allow the alibis to flourish, was always thought the most effective long term strategy.
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| Teddy Eagle 21 Mar 23 11.14pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's the problem with people like you, and newspapers like the Mail. Accusations are not evidence. Knowing something has happened is very different to being able to prove it has. I don't doubt for a moment that these crimes are real, and the stories are true. Proving that in a Court, with a clever defence barrister throwing spanners in the works at every turn, isn't straightforward. That quote was nothing to do with the Mail. It was from the independent report into events. Google the report for more information. It was by Professor Alexis Jay.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 23 11.18pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
That quote was nothing to do with the Mail. It was from the independent report into events. Google the report for more information. It was by Professor Alexis Jay. I realise that. That doesn't stop papers like the Mail writing lurid headlines above stories based on it, spun to suit their own agenda.
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| Teddy Eagle 21 Mar 23 11.23pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I realise that. That doesn't stop papers like the Mail writing lurid headlines above stories based on it, spun to suit their own agenda. Yes. The Mail is the problem. It's also the sort of thing Donald Trump would do.
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cryrst  The garden of England 22 Mar 23 5.43am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't think there are ANY who actually believe that is an answer. The softly, softly approach was never aimed at the rapists themselves but at the wider communities they hide in. Getting those communities on our side and willing to provide evidence, rather than alienate them, and allow the alibis to flourish, was always thought the most effective long term strategy. Well that surely proves they know it’s wrong but don’t give a feck about others by not reporting it.
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