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Park Road Flag 17 Dec 17 6.28am

I wrote a book about a transsexual with a speech impediment; it's called Man or Myth.

Stewart Francis

 

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Originally posted by Park Road

I genuinely believe that those who call Roy , Woy on here do so out of affection and not malice.
Those on here who believe they a morally superior and castigate need to get off their high horses and understand British humour.

Non-stop British humour

 

Many Brits believe that the British sense of humour is unique, more subtle and more highly developed than other nations.

 

Popular British playwright Oscar Wilde made this point quite clearly and deliberately when he said, “It is clear that humour is far superior to humor”.

 

Perhaps the most confusing part of British humour however, is that there is no ‘off’ switch. Almost every conversation between Brits is bound to feature some form of irony, sarcasm, banter, understatement, self-deprecation, teasing or mockery.

 

When every word exchanged between Brits has an undercurrent of humour, it becomes difficult to decipher when a Brit is joking or being serious.

 

This is even more problematic considering the delivery of jokes is almost always done with a deadpan face.

 

The rule of thumb is therefore, if someone is saying something which makes absolutely no sense with a straight face, they’re probably joking.

 

The British are the masters of the deadpan face 


 

Core of British humour: irony and sarcasm

 

The British have a unique partiality for irony and are always ready to whip out a sarcastic quip when the opportunity presents itself.

 

An extremely dry example of this would be for a British person to comment on how delightful the weather is when it is pouring outside.

 

The British make use of irony and it’s derivative, sarcasm, to say the opposite of what they mean in order to make a point.

 

This typically occurs when a Brit is confronted with a silly question, such as when British actress Cara Delevigne was asked on US television if she had read John Green’s book, Paper Towns, before starring in the movie.

 

Delevigne scoffed and replied, "No, I never read the book or the script, I just winged it".

For the rest of the world, there is a time and a place for irony. For the Brits, that time and pace is wherever and whenever.


It is this constant use of irony in conversation which can make the British come across as tiresome and rude to outsiders.

 

British fondness for understatement

 

In refusing to be overwhelmed by anything, the British resort to rather emotionless statements, such as “Not bad” when they really mean, “That’s actually quite good”.

 

British speech is littered with understatement. The Debretts guide to British social skills, etiquette and style notes that British conversations are filled with moderating expressions, such as ‘quite’, ‘rather’, ‘a bit’, ‘actually’.

 

A ‘spot of bother’ or ‘a bit of a pickle’ may understate that things are disastrous, in the same way that “Let’s go out for a pint” usually means going out for many, many more drinks.

 

A classic example of British understatement can be seen in the ‘Black Knight’ scene from Monty Python, where upon having his arm chopped off the Black Knight proclaims, “Tis but a scratch”:

 Self-deprecation

 

The British do not parade their achievements and are deeply hostile to pomposity.

 

Instead of boasting and blowing their own trumpets, the Brits tend to make light of their shortcomings by being excessively modest and putting themselves down.

 

Obvious sources of self-deprecating humour include one’s accent, age, physical build, baldness, prominent features, geekiness or strange name.

 

British comedian and self-proclaimed ‘language nerd’, David Mitchell, is a well-known self-deprecator.

 

In an episode of Would I Lie to You?Mitchell mocks himself by calling his beard a "failure in personal hygiene

 

In dealing with the embarrassment of success through such self-mockey, the Brits believe they appear more humble and relatable.

 

Fellow Brits are able to read beneath the self-deprecation and admire them for their modesty.

 

It is particularly important for the Brits to not appear too big for their boots when it comes to addressing an audience.

 

British public speaking website, Speak Like a Pro, emphasises that people who have the ability to laugh at themselves are generally perceived as being secure, confident, and likeable.

 

Weak people on the other hand tend to feel a need to inflate themselves.

 

Comedian Jon Richardson is the perfect example of the extremely likeable self-deprecator.

 

 

Sexy self-deprecation

 

A recent two-year study on ‘The Sexual Attractiveness of Self-Deprecating Humour' found that self-deprecating humour is the most attractive type of humour.

 

Participants in the study listened to recordings of men and women who had different levels of status, and who produced different types of humor.

 

The most desirable mates proved to be men and women of high status who made use of self-deprecating humour.

 
A self-deprecating Hugh Grant steals Julia Roberts' heart in Notting Hill 
YouTube / PictureBox Films

 

The study warns that while effective, self-deprecation can be a risky form of humour as it can draw attention to one's real faults and diminish the self-deprecator's status.

 

Negative humour: Teasing and taking the piss

 

Besides finding it funny to self-denigrate, the British use those around them as sources of humour too.

 

As Julian Tan argues in an article for the Huffington Post, “Why else would you have an extra 'u' in humour if not for the fact that the joke is most often on you?”

 

A few years back a scientist claimed that typically British ‘negative humour’ which includes biting sarcasm, teasing, ridicule and self-denigration, is linked to genes only found in British men and women.

 

This claim followed a studyconducted on 4,000 twins in the UK and US.

 

Dr Rod Martin, one of the researchers, said it is possible that differences exist between the UK and the US in their sense of humour as a result of different genetic and environmental influences

 

While classed as ‘negative humour’, for the British, to tease is to show approval and affection.

 

The same holds true for taking the piss (or taking the mickey), which quite literally means to mock and make fun of someone.

 

The Brits are also known to ‘take the piss’ in an attempt to deflate somebody of their mistaken belief that they are special. Again, this can be seen as affectionate.

 

Alternatively, negative humour can be used to chip away at narcissistic characters who take themselves too seriously.

 

British humour isn’t actually funny

 

Much of British humour is not obviously hilarious and does not result in fits of laughter.

 

According to anthropologist Kate Fox, “At best a well-timed quip only raises a slight smirk”.

 

The most difficult part of British humour for foreigners and obviously loads of HOl's is that it is not often funny across cultures and pompous,arrogant self absorbed thought control police.

 

But those unaccustomed to British humour need not worry. For the best thing about British humour is that it is not something you can learn, it's something that grows on you.

Edited by Park Road (16 Dec 2017 8.20am)

I am going to show this post to my wife, NOW she might understand me

 

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For me it’s about common decency and respect towards others.

Nowadays people don’t seem to take others feelings into account and just do and say whatever makes them feel good.

Remember when we were fondly referred to as a family club?

You probably don’t.

 


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Originally posted by braunstoneagle

you seem to think i give a s***.

woys working wonders, why cant we have a joke now & then

or are you to uptight & highly strung to do that?


Ok, if saying Woy is the best joke you can come up with, carry on, do you have a little giggle to yourself when you use it.

 

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Originally posted by Park Road

Was it them who first coined the phrase? I wasn't aware. Cant stand tabloid press. In Spain the news on TV is tabloid.
However, I'm talking about Palace fans. Roy is our manager so, part of the extended family or mate albeit a distant one and one you'd probably never meet face to face, therefore i believe its used as a form of affection.
If there is anybody on here who uses woy a an insult please reply to the post and explain why you feel the need to insult our manager.
I'm not holding my breath tho, but there might be some

It has always been just a little demeaning. It remains a way of talking him down.

Those people that use it probably also s****** about people with facial disfigurements and club feet. Roy can help his speech any more than they can help their form. Nobody can argue saying why shows respect. Some belittling affection perhaps but never respect.

 

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Originally posted by Mapletree

It has always been just a little demeaning. It remains a way of talking him down.

Those people that use it probably also s****** about people with facial disfigurements and club feet. Roy can’t help his speech any more than they can help their form. Nobody can argue saying woy shows respect. Some belittling affection perhaps but never respect.

Let’s change that word to titter then.

Edited by Mapletree (17 Dec 2017 9.46am)

 

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Until Roy does something really bad like leaving us for Brighton he deserves our respect. Before Frank was appointed his name came up and I was against it. However after the disaster that was FDB he was the right choice and has done a better job than I thought he would.

We have had a lot of managers recently I would like to see Roy stay for a while. His job is to get us winning. Our Job is to support him and the team. Give the man a little love.

Unless he says he likes being called Woy I think it is insulting. It is not the same as someone called Daniel being called Dan or Danny. As for those who think it is banter they wont mind then if I call they're wife or children by a swear word. After all guys its just a laugh innit?

 


One more point

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Park Road Flag 17 Dec 17 10.18am

Originally posted by Mapletree

It has always been just a little demeaning. It remains a way of talking him down.

Those people that use it probably also s****** about people with facial disfigurements and club feet. Roy can help his speech any more than they can help their form. Nobody can argue saying why shows respect. Some belittling affection perhaps but never respect.

Humour is subjective and no individuals humour is funnier or superior than anothers.
British humour can be cruel but its part of our make up.

You'll probably find this offensive but here goes
I do not make jokes about cub feet I'm lack toes intolerant

I won't disclose if I find it funny, but I'd be interested in yours plus other views about it.
I'm guessing some will find it funny others will not...
That's why its subjective

 

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Originally posted by Park Road

Humour is subjective and no individuals humour is funnier or superior than anothers.
British humour can be cruel but its part of our make up.

You'll probably find this offensive but here goes
I do not make jokes about cub feet I'm lack toes intolerant

I won't disclose if I find it funny, but I'd be interested in yours plus other views about it.
I'm guessing some will find it funny others will not...
That's why its subjective

As far as I know you have normal toes with club feet so the joke doesn’t work. The difference is it isn’t aimed at an individual. It’s a simple play on words.

So you think using the term woy is funny. Really? I don’t appear to share your sense of humour

 

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Park Road Flag 17 Dec 17 10.39am

Originally posted by Mapletree

As far as I know you have normal toes with club feet so the joke doesn’t work. The difference is it isn’t aimed at an individual. It’s a simple play on words.

So you think using the term woy is funny. Really? I don’t appear to share your sense of humour

I agree its just a play on words. I've never said anywhere that I think its funny. If you read my article copied and pasted about British humour you will find that far from being funny its used as form of affection which is way of respect to the individual its aimed at.
The fact that we don't share the same sense of humour just stems back to it being subjective.
It someone does find woy funny I certainly wouldn't disapprove and point out my reasons, its just comes across pompous to me.
Read the article mapletree its in all in our genes.

Edited by Park Road (17 Dec 2017 10.42am)

 

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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 17 Dec 17 10.49am

Originally posted by ARGILE OLD GEEZER


Ok, if saying Woy is the best joke you can come up with, carry on, do you have a little giggle to yourself when you use it.

Brainy has got a history of getting stuck into the people at the club who deserve our utmost repspect. And sticking up for and defending those who deserve f*** all.

 


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Likely to be the same people that called SA 'BFS' . Both can be seen as insulting and just because it makes them giggle like 13 year old boys who've found a spank mag for the first time, doesn't mean anyone else finds it funny.

 


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