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bexleydave Barnehurst 23 Feb 18 5.24am
Originally posted by CPFC9404 Possibly Patrick burner from Nice? Has Europa League experience, is only 21, wins a good amount of tackles and aerials without giving out too many free kicks. He only plays around a third of Nice’s matches in Ligue 1, so he wouldn’t be too expensive. I've never heard of him, but he's only made nine league appearances for Nice in two seasons so it must be rather difficult to make a judgment from the other side of the world. As for winning anything in the air, he's smaller than Jonny Williams, so I'd like to know who's putting him up to it. Edited by bexleydave (23 Feb 2018 5.26am) Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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Barnehurst 23 Feb 18 5.24am

Originally posted by CPFC9404

Possibly Patrick burner from Nice? Has Europa League experience, is only 21, wins a good amount of tackles and aerials without giving out too many free kicks. He only plays around a third of Nice’s matches in Ligue 1, so he wouldn’t be too expensive.

I've never heard of him, but he's only made nine league appearances for Nice in two seasons so it must be rather difficult to make a judgment from the other side of the world. As for winning anything in the air, he's smaller than Jonny Williams, so I'd like to know who's putting him up to it.

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braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 03 Mar 18 10.51pm
what we really need to do is sign joel ward to a new 3 year contract ‘Football isn’t instant coffee. You have to work at it. You must grow the bean, grind it.’ Ian Holloway
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what we really need to do is sign joel ward to a new 3 year contract

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mattteo 04 Mar 18 1.28am
Originally posted by braunstoneagle what we really need to do is sign joel ward to a new 3 year contract Yeah, reward averageness. Palace needs something better than Joel Ward. He's been stable this year, but stable average that is. If that's the type of performance you feel is right (a right back with really nothing standing out for him, unlike Yedlin of Newcastle or Schelotto of Brighton or Smith of Bournemouth or Coleman of Everton) then the team will never improve from fighting relegation to getting into the top 10. I get what you mean, he's been a starter this season, but sometimes you need to take tough decisions and really set standards high.
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04 Mar 18 1.28am

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

what we really need to do is sign joel ward to a new 3 year contract

Yeah, reward averageness. Palace needs something better than Joel Ward. He's been stable this year, but stable average that is. If that's the type of performance you feel is right (a right back with really nothing standing out for him, unlike Yedlin of Newcastle or Schelotto of Brighton or Smith of Bournemouth or Coleman of Everton) then the team will never improve from fighting relegation to getting into the top 10.

I get what you mean, he's been a starter this season, but sometimes you need to take tough decisions and really set standards high.

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dp Tunbridge Wells 04 Mar 18 4.18am
Averageness in the Premier League would see us to mid table - I would take that. I think the problem is the use them up, wear them out mentality that is growing. Surely the right thing would be to sign Joel Ward to a three year deal (as previously stated), and then sign someone who we think can take the club forward. That way we get some continuity and also some progression. I mean, haven’t we already seen the problem with signing someone to take us forward whilst getting rid of the supposedly average players up front? We end up with no depth and our average players are showing elsewhere that they could have done an average job for us too.
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Averageness in the Premier League would see us to mid table - I would take that.

I think the problem is the use them up, wear them out mentality that is growing. Surely the right thing would be to sign Joel Ward to a three year deal (as previously stated), and then sign someone who we think can take the club forward. That way we get some continuity and also some progression.

I mean, haven’t we already seen the problem with signing someone to take us forward whilst getting rid of the supposedly average players up front? We end up with no depth and our average players are showing elsewhere that they could have done an average job for us too.

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ARGILE OLD GEEZER PORTIMAO 04 Mar 18 9.25am
Originally posted by mattteo Yeah, reward averageness. Palace needs something better than Joel Ward. He's been stable this year, but stable average that is. If that's the type of performance you feel is right (a right back with really nothing standing out for him, unlike Yedlin of Newcastle or Schelotto of Brighton or Smith of Bournemouth or Coleman of Everton) then the team will never improve from fighting relegation to getting into the top 10. I get what you mean, he's been a starter this season, but sometimes you need to take tough decisions and really set standards high. I hate to mention Liverpool, but would love to get Clyne back, i know he is out injured at the moment but there may be a slight chance
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Originally posted by mattteo

I get what you mean, he's been a starter this season, but sometimes you need to take tough decisions and really set standards high.

I hate to mention Liverpool, but would love to get Clyne back, i know he is out injured at the moment but there may be a slight chance

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braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 04 Mar 18 9.46am
Originally posted by mattteo Yeah, reward averageness. Palace needs something better than Joel Ward. He's been stable this year, but stable average that is. If that's the type of performance you feel is right (a right back with really nothing standing out for him, unlike Yedlin of Newcastle or Schelotto of Brighton or Smith of Bournemouth or Coleman of Everton) then the team will never improve from fighting relegation to getting into the top 10. I get what you mean, he's been a starter this season, but sometimes you need to take tough decisions and really set standards high. the guy has been first choice full back ever since promotion and no manager has replaced him. deserves a new contract & he is as good as ever player yiu mentioned bar coleman. ‘Football isn’t instant coffee. You have to work at it. You must grow the bean, grind it.’ Ian Holloway
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the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 04 Mar 18 9.46am

Originally posted by mattteo

I get what you mean, he's been a starter this season, but sometimes you need to take tough decisions and really set standards high.

the guy has been first choice full back ever since promotion and no manager has replaced him.

deserves a new contract & he is as good as ever player yiu mentioned bar coleman.

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Casual Orpington 04 Mar 18 10.45am
I think that ward is a below average top flight right back, but seeing how much we paid for 2 below average left backs , we need to keep him. As we wouldn’t be paying a ‘buying fee’, maybe he will get a few quid to sign a new contract. Then we need to look for someone better, so ward can be a decent squad player. Got loads of players ( most of them) that are a bit below par for where we want to be, but we can’t ‘out’ them all , as it’s about 10 million nowdays to get a bang average player. I’d keep ward, jimmy Mac etc, then slowly try and move them out the starting eleven , when/if we get better players Edited by Casual (04 Mar 2018 5.48pm)
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I think that ward is a below average top flight right back, but seeing how much we paid for 2 below average left backs , we need to keep him. As we wouldn’t be paying a ‘buying fee’, maybe he will get a few quid to sign a new contract. Then we need to look for someone better, so ward can be a decent squad player.
Got loads of players ( most of them) that are a bit below par for where we want to be, but we can’t ‘out’ them all , as it’s about 10 million nowdays to get a bang average player.
I’d keep ward, jimmy Mac etc, then slowly try and move them out the starting eleven , when/if we get better players

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mattteo 04 Mar 18 12.42pm
Originally posted by dp Surely the right thing would be to sign Joel Ward to a three year deal (as previously stated), and then sign someone who we think can take the club forward. That way we get some continuity and also some progression. I mean, haven’t we already seen the problem with signing someone to take us forward whilst getting rid of the supposedly average players up front? We end up with no depth Well, if you're going to get someone with higher quality in, why keep Ward around as backup? Why not give that squad spot to Wan Bissaka? He's at that age when you need to let hm into the squad or let him go. In almost all lines of thought, it makes sense to keep Wan Bissaka over Ward: 1. Ward has been average. You can pretty much think Wan Bissaka can be at least at the same level of average after his performance against Tottenham. Strong player (stronger than Ward), keeps the line well, can't really pass him. 2. You never know how well he might develop, he may have a wonderful season and you get a 20 year old player with a 20-30 million value. Which, in Ward's case, at his age, cannot happen. 3. His salary is lower that Ward's, that's an economy right there. 2-3 million which don't seem much but may be usedto get a player in somewhere else. The only thing I can think of that Ward may have over Wan Bissaka is stability. You can be sure that he's not going to make 5-6 big mistakes in a season, while Wan Bissaka may do a "Marcelo" or "van Aanholt"- good on the offensive, but shaky defensively. Though, from what I've seen against Tottenham, he sits back and doesn't adventure high up. It could be a minor risk of him making a mistake now and then (though for a team like Palace even 1 point in an entire season matters), but overall, it still would be more advantageous to keep Wan Bissaka, especially if another starting right back comes in.
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04 Mar 18 12.42pm

Originally posted by dp

Surely the right thing would be to sign Joel Ward to a three year deal (as previously stated), and then sign someone who we think can take the club forward. That way we get some continuity and also some progression.

I mean, haven’t we already seen the problem with signing someone to take us forward whilst getting rid of the supposedly average players up front? We end up with no depth

Well, if you're going to get someone with higher quality in, why keep Ward around as backup? Why not give that squad spot to Wan Bissaka? He's at that age when you need to let hm into the squad or let him go.

In almost all lines of thought, it makes sense to keep Wan Bissaka over Ward:

1. Ward has been average. You can pretty much think Wan Bissaka can be at least at the same level of average after his performance against Tottenham. Strong player (stronger than Ward), keeps the line well, can't really pass him.

2. You never know how well he might develop, he may have a wonderful season and you get a 20 year old player with a 20-30 million value. Which, in Ward's case, at his age, cannot happen.

3. His salary is lower that Ward's, that's an economy right there. 2-3 million which don't seem much but may be usedto get a player in somewhere else.

The only thing I can think of that Ward may have over Wan Bissaka is stability. You can be sure that he's not going to make 5-6 big mistakes in a season, while Wan Bissaka may do a "Marcelo" or "van Aanholt"- good on the offensive, but shaky defensively. Though, from what I've seen against Tottenham, he sits back and doesn't adventure high up. It could be a minor risk of him making a mistake now and then (though for a team like Palace even 1 point in an entire season matters), but overall, it still would be more advantageous to keep Wan Bissaka, especially if another starting right back comes in.

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Casual Orpington 04 Mar 18 5.54pm
Originally posted by mattteo Well, if you're going to get someone with higher quality in, why keep Ward around as backup? Why not give that squad spot to Wan Bissaka? He's at that age when you need to let hm into the squad or let him go. In almost all lines of thought, it makes sense to keep Wan Bissaka over Ward: 1. Ward has been average. You can pretty much think Wan Bissaka can be at least at the same level of average after his performance against Tottenham. Strong player (stronger than Ward), keeps the line well, can't really pass him. 2. You never know how well he might develop, he may have a wonderful season and you get a 20 year old player with a 20-30 million value. Which, in Ward's case, at his age, cannot happen. 3. His salary is lower that Ward's, that's an economy right there. 2-3 million which don't seem much but may be usedto get a player in somewhere else. The only thing I can think of that Ward may have over Wan Bissaka is stability. You can be sure that he's not going to make 5-6 big mistakes in a season, while Wan Bissaka may do a "Marcelo" or "van Aanholt"- good on the offensive, but shaky defensively. Though, from what I've seen against Tottenham, he sits back and doesn't adventure high up. It could be a minor risk of him making a mistake now and then (though for a team like Palace even 1 point in an entire season matters), but overall, it still would be more advantageous to keep Wan Bissaka, especially if another starting right back comes in. You are looking to gamble a lot on 75 minutes of ok football that you saw against spurs, as the first 15 minutes Wan Bissaka was poor. Think we need 2 decent players in each position , plus 3 others , I’m assuming Wan Bissaka doesn’t need to be named in the 25.
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Originally posted by mattteo

In almost all lines of thought, it makes sense to keep Wan Bissaka over Ward:

2. You never know how well he might develop, he may have a wonderful season and you get a 20 year old player with a 20-30 million value. Which, in Ward's case, at his age, cannot happen.

3. His salary is lower that Ward's, that's an economy right there. 2-3 million which don't seem much but may be usedto get a player in somewhere else.

You are looking to gamble a lot on 75 minutes of ok football that you saw against spurs, as the first 15 minutes Wan Bissaka was poor.
Think we need 2 decent players in each position , plus 3 others , I’m assuming Wan Bissaka doesn’t need to be named in the 25.

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dp Tunbridge Wells 04 Mar 18 6.35pm
Originally posted by mattteo Well, if you're going to get someone with higher quality in, why keep Ward around as backup? Why not give that squad spot to Wan Bissaka? He's at that age when you need to let hm into the squad or let him go. In almost all lines of thought, it makes sense to keep Wan Bissaka over Ward: 1. Ward has been average. You can pretty much think Wan Bissaka can be at least at the same level of average after his performance against Tottenham. Strong player (stronger than Ward), keeps the line well, can't really pass him. 2. You never know how well he might develop, he may have a wonderful season and you get a 20 year old player with a 20-30 million value. Which, in Ward's case, at his age, cannot happen. 3. His salary is lower that Ward's, that's an economy right there. 2-3 million which don't seem much but may be usedto get a player in somewhere else. The only thing I can think of that Ward may have over Wan Bissaka is stability. You can be sure that he's not going to make 5-6 big mistakes in a season, while Wan Bissaka may do a "Marcelo" or "van Aanholt"- good on the offensive, but shaky defensively. Though, from what I've seen against Tottenham, he sits back and doesn't adventure high up. It could be a minor risk of him making a mistake now and then (though for a team like Palace even 1 point in an entire season matters), but overall, it still would be more advantageous to keep Wan Bissaka, especially if another starting right back comes in. The difference is that you think we should get rid of Ward and get someone of higher quality; I think we should keep him and get someone who will develop into higher quality. I think that we are in the position we are in because Pardew got rid of our average players, and bought marquee signings. We need to learn from this and have a succession plan. So keep Ward as cover, give Wan Bissaka 5 or 6 games next season and a chance to develop, and buy someone else who has the potential to take us forward. You say potarto, I say potayto. PS. Does Wan BIssaka need a squad place? I thought he was still young enough not to need one. Edited by dp (04 Mar 2018 6.44pm)
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Tunbridge Wells 04 Mar 18 6.35pm

Originally posted by mattteo

In almost all lines of thought, it makes sense to keep Wan Bissaka over Ward:

2. You never know how well he might develop, he may have a wonderful season and you get a 20 year old player with a 20-30 million value. Which, in Ward's case, at his age, cannot happen.

3. His salary is lower that Ward's, that's an economy right there. 2-3 million which don't seem much but may be usedto get a player in somewhere else.

The difference is that you think we should get rid of Ward and get someone of higher quality; I think we should keep him and get someone who will develop into higher quality.

I think that we are in the position we are in because Pardew got rid of our average players, and bought marquee signings. We need to learn from this and have a succession plan. So keep Ward as cover, give Wan Bissaka 5 or 6 games next season and a chance to develop, and buy someone else who has the potential to take us forward.

You say potarto, I say potayto.

PS. Does Wan BIssaka need a squad place? I thought he was still young enough not to need one.

Edited by dp (04 Mar 2018 6.44pm)

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mattteo 04 Mar 18 8.39pm
By squad place I mean starter and backup (first 22 in my mind). I don't see the relevance in paying Ward a salary of 2-3 million a year (what's he on?) if there would be 2 players who can play that position ahead of him there. But whatever
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04 Mar 18 8.39pm

By squad place I mean starter and backup (first 22 in my mind). I don't see the relevance in paying Ward a salary of 2-3 million a year (what's he on?) if there would be 2 players who can play that position ahead of him there.

But whatever

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braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 04 Mar 18 8.58pm
Originally posted by mattteo By squad place I mean starter and backup (first 22 in my mind). I don't see the relevance in paying Ward a salary of 2-3 million a year (what's he on?) if there would be 2 players who can play that position ahead of him there. But whatever ward had made more PL appearances for us than any other player...surely that speaks volumes. and people still doubt hes PL quality...would cost £20m to upgrade him ‘Football isn’t instant coffee. You have to work at it. You must grow the bean, grind it.’ Ian Holloway
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the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 04 Mar 18 8.58pm

Originally posted by mattteo

But whatever

ward had made more PL appearances for us than any other player...surely that speaks volumes.

and people still doubt hes PL quality...would cost £20m to upgrade him

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