Yes, there would be. And it doesn't matter either, because what happens when people start to talking about how its not this or that, it misses that the only explainations are rank incompetence or very serious prejudice against that individual (it doesn't matter why that prejudice occurred, only that it did - and it led to a lot of suffering, and the eventual violent, and horrible murder of a man, who'd been tormented abused and assaulted for over two years.

Its hard to look at the history of the case, the findings of the court, and say there was no prejudice at work here - because if so, the entire police force and social services in that area is incompetent which seems unlikely (and more worrying to rectify).

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Sure, however Police incompetence leading to death is hardly uncommon....In cases where race isn't involved this kind of thing still happens....so all this second guessing as fact is suspicious to me.....All this seeing into men's souls bollocks.

I just want to say that the Police are human like everyone else and it seems to me that when the public services makes mistakes....as will always happen (a point you have made in the past) that the overseers are very happy to throw the underlings to the fire......maybe in this case it's justified I don't know....but I'm sorry...'s*** always flows downhill'..and I'm always cynical of middle classes reviewing the jobs only the working classes tend to do and wagging their fingers....yet they wouldn't let their kids near these jobs in a million years...it's pretty rare.....So for me....there's a little bit of working class rebellion about this kind of thing....especially when the word Macpherson is mentioned.

I sometimes think that people have unrealistic expectations of the Police......as seen where I don't completely blame them for what happened with the northern town rapes.

However, If you've read this report and genuinely think that racism or incompetence is at play.....well, perhaps I have more trust in your view than theirs....as despite you being a self admitted progressive I don't regard you as ideologically unfair.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Dec 2017 12.14pm)

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And if this guy had been a white council estate chav you wouldn't of started this thread. Enough of your virtue signalling.

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I would have. You obviously missed all my points over the years.

Also shows what you think of those that live in estates. Nice.

Edited by nickgusset (19 Dec 2017 12.24pm)

He could have said the European courts once upon a time .

Well a British Court of Law, ruled that it was down to race, and that the police and local authority, on the basis of the case argued, and evidence presented - And that the police and local authorities failure to act was down to 'instituationalised racism'.

So it fulfils a number of legal requirements. That on review, by a legally appointed member of the judiciary, that on the balance of evidence presented by both the claimant and the respondents, and the arguments by their legal council, that the police and local authority, failed in their duty, not because of incompetence, but due to racial grounds.

Now maybe the court findings were wrong, but then that's where the Police and Local Authority can appeal the decision on a matter of law.

I'm not really sure how much more you'd need before accepting that - The evidence for the claimants (family) case was accepted by the court.

Its not like the Police and Local Authority settled out of court. They went to court, and lost the case.

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