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any thoughts on this? I usually find this stuff to be laughable and hard to take serious, but this article is a bit hair raising yeah?


I've never seen anything in this world that i couldn't explain away, my caveat.

 

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I absolutely love all this stuff & really want to believe but I fear the biggest conspiracy here is a Democrat (Harry Reid) funnelling cash to his friends company to the tune of $20,000,000.

Project Serpo remains my favourite story.

 


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The question regarding UFOs is, what would it take for people to believe in them?

When you can answer that question, you will know why it would be easy to keep it all a secret.

 

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I posted on here a few months back about a newly released film on this topic called "Unacknowledged".

Well worth an hour of your time..if you're interested.

 


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Originally posted by Lyons550

I posted on here a few months back about a newly released film on this topic called "Unacknowledged".

Well worth an hour of your time..if you're interested.

I watched that a while back.

There seems to be a lot of disclosure by people who you would imagine are in the know.
My personal experience of the subject makes me a believer. Of course, like virtually everyone else, I can't prove it.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 20 Dec 17 12.48pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

As lay people reading articles from others with doubtful motives or accuracy we should maintain an agnostic position.

The universe has been here for nearly 14 billion years by our current estimates. The sheer size and number of galaxies means that life would have likely occurred uncountable times even given the number of conditions that have to be met for its protection.

The number of civilizations that survive, mature and progress to an extent that they can transverse the.....quite frankly almost unbelievable distances between stars must be at a premium....if indeed it's even possible to find a means in physics......However, given the time available I'm of the mind that if it's possible then it's been done.

Regardless.....there is the problem that when we look for evidence out there in the star systems we don't readily see it......However, it must be noted that we can't really see that much outside of the local galactic area that would make us certain about sophisticated life.....frankly it's looking for the obvious.

We are also constrained by our knowledge of what to look for.....it's likely that very advanced civilizations are using different systems of nature and technology and that we can't spot them using what we currently know and look for.

Or perhaps all these UFO events are us traveling back in time and sight seeing.....or perhaps it's all a load of old bollocks and either fakes or development tech.

Agnostic.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Dec 2017 12.51pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

As lay people reading articles from others with doubtful motives or accuracy we should maintain an agnostic position.

The universe has been here for nearly 14 billion years by our current estimates. The sheer size and number of galaxies means that life would have likely occurred uncountable times even given the number of conditions that have to be met for its protection.

The number of civilizations that survive, mature and progress to an extent that they can transverse the.....quite frankly almost unbelievable distances between stars must be at a premium....if indeed it's even possible to find a means in physics......However, given the time available I'm of the mind that if it's possible then it's been done.

Regardless.....there is the problem that when we look for evidence out there in the star systems we don't readily see it......However, it must be noted that we can't really see that much outside of the local galactic area that would make us certain about sophisticated life.....frankly it's looking for the obvious.

We are also constrained by our knowledge of what to look for.....it's likely that very advanced civilizations are using different systems of nature and technology and that we can't spot them using what we currently know and look for.

Or perhaps all these UFO events are us traveling back in time and sight seeing.....or perhaps it's all a load of old bollocks and either fakes or development tech.

Agnostic.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Dec 2017 12.51pm)


Ahhh...the ol' Drake Equasion!

Where,

N = The number of civilizations in the Milky Way Galaxy whose electromagnetic emissions are detectable.

R* = The rate of formation of stars suitable for the development of intelligent life.

fp = The fraction of those stars with planetary systems.

ne = The number of planets, per solar system, with an environment suitable for life.

fl = The fraction of suitable planets on which life actually appears.

fi = The fraction of life bearing planets on which intelligent life emerges.

fc = The fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space.

L = The length of time such civilizations release detectable signals into space.

 


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"Original estimates[edit]
There is considerable disagreement on the values of these parameters, but the 'educated guesses' used by Drake and his colleagues in 1961 were:[24][25]

R∗ = 1 yr−1 (1 star formed per year, on the average over the life of the galaxy; this was regarded as conservative)
fp = 0.2 to 0.5 (one fifth to one half of all stars formed will have planets)
ne = 1 to 5 (stars with planets will have between 1 and 5 planets capable of developing life)
fl = 1 (100% of these planets will develop life)
fi = 1 (100% of which will develop intelligent life)
fc = 0.1 to 0.2 (10–20% of which will be able to communicate)
L = 1000 to 100,000,000 years (which will last somewhere between 1000 and 100,000,000 years)
Inserting the above minimum numbers into the equation gives a minimum N of 20 (see: Range of results). Inserting the maximum numbers gives a maximum of 50,000,000.

Drake states that given the uncertainties, the original meeting concluded that N ≈ L, and there were probably between 1000 and 100,000,000 civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy."

 


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Originally posted by Lyons550

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"Original estimates[edit]
There is considerable disagreement on the values of these parameters, but the 'educated guesses' used by Drake and his colleagues in 1961 were:[24][25]

R∗ = 1 yr−1 (1 star formed per year, on the average over the life of the galaxy; this was regarded as conservative)
fp = 0.2 to 0.5 (one fifth to one half of all stars formed will have planets)
ne = 1 to 5 (stars with planets will have between 1 and 5 planets capable of developing life)
fl = 1 (100% of these planets will develop life)
fi = 1 (100% of which will develop intelligent life)
fc = 0.1 to 0.2 (10–20% of which will be able to communicate)
L = 1000 to 100,000,000 years (which will last somewhere between 1000 and 100,000,000 years)
Inserting the above minimum numbers into the equation gives a minimum N of 20 (see: Range of results). Inserting the maximum numbers gives a maximum of 50,000,000.

Drake states that given the uncertainties, the original meeting concluded that N ≈ L, and there were probably between 1000 and 100,000,000 civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy."

Imagine all those different versions of 'Crossroads' with better production values.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Imagine all those different versions of 'Crossroads' with better production values.



 


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I have no idea if UFO's exist but I can see how it would suit the military for people to believe in them.

Area 51 is a testing site used by Lockheed for experimental aircraft so of course people will see strange lights in the sky.

For years there has been talk of "Aurora" which is supposed to be a space plane that can take off normally fly into space and orbit. Janes the defense magazine believes it exists, no doubt in 20 years we will know the truth.

Unmanned drones are where the military are spending their money and these can by all sorts of shapes and sizes depending on their function.

Until a ship lands and they say take me to your leader I am a skeptic. As one of the posters said the real story is a politician funneling money to his mate.

 


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Originally posted by Lyons550

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"Original estimates[edit]
There is considerable disagreement on the values of these parameters, but the 'educated guesses' used by Drake and his colleagues in 1961 were:[24][25]

R∗ = 1 yr−1 (1 star formed per year, on the average over the life of the galaxy; this was regarded as conservative)
fp = 0.2 to 0.5 (one fifth to one half of all stars formed will have planets)
ne = 1 to 5 (stars with planets will have between 1 and 5 planets capable of developing life)
fl = 1 (100% of these planets will develop life)
fi = 1 (100% of which will develop intelligent life)
fc = 0.1 to 0.2 (10–20% of which will be able to communicate)
L = 1000 to 100,000,000 years (which will last somewhere between 1000 and 100,000,000 years)
Inserting the above minimum numbers into the equation gives a minimum N of 20 (see: Range of results). Inserting the maximum numbers gives a maximum of 50,000,000.

Drake states that given the uncertainties, the original meeting concluded that N ≈ L, and there were probably between 1000 and 100,000,000 civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy."

In my humble view, the Drake equation is pseudoscience.
You can't load a formula with so may guesses and expect to get anything like an accurate result.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (20 Dec 2017 2.12pm)

 

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