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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 21 Dec 17 9.35pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Which shows the obscene amounts of money they must earn doesn't it.

You assume they don't earn it.
You get paid for what you bring to the table, both in knowledge and earning power.
IE a trader might earn they're boss 10 m In a year.
Why isn't he worth a 2 m pay packet.
It is relative to each individual.
This is of course in the private sector.
In the other sector of civil servants it doesnt make actual profit. It just, rarely I might add, save money from a given budget.
Wonder why some council leaders and the like earn what they do with the given scenario above.

 

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View johnfirewall's Profile johnfirewall Flag 22 Dec 17 1.38am Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

How can you know this if you haven't read it?

It addresses his allies' expression of utter contempt for the working class they supposedly stand for? My mistake.

Please summarise. Who ultimately was responsible for the demonisation of the working class? Surely by the time it was written, it was only those left behind by Blair's efforts who still fell in to the category and were subsequently deemed inferior by an additional strata of society absorbed in to education and the public sector.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 22 Dec 17 2.47am

Originally posted by cryrst

You assume they don't earn it.
You get paid for what you bring to the table, both in knowledge and earning power.
IE a trader might earn they're boss 10 m In a year.
Why isn't he worth a 2 m pay packet.
It is relative to each individual.
This is of course in the private sector.
In the other sector of civil servants it doesnt make actual profit. It just, rarely I might add, save money from a given budget.
Wonder why some council leaders and the like earn what they do with the given scenario above.

No one is worth 2m a year, not really. I demand a high wage due to a rarity of skills (which I happen to possess). But in truth I'm not worth what I get paid for doing something IT talent don't want to do.

But that does't mean I don't like the money. I still remember having a proper job.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 22 Dec 17 5.50pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

No one is worth 2m a year, not really. I demand a high wage due to a rarity of skills (which I happen to possess). But in truth I'm not worth what I get paid for doing something IT talent don't want to do.

But that does't mean I don't like the money. I still remember having a proper job.


As I said it's what you bring to the table
If a plumber comes and fixes your boiler at 3am and it's -10c you would pay him the £200 quid
If he comes in the summer at 3pm and it's 20c you would begrudge £200 so he doesn't charge that.
Hence a dealer earns his boss 10 m a year he's worth 2 m
If he earns 1 m he get loads less.
Relevant even at base level.
It's what the jobs worth to you at the receiving end.

 

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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 22 Dec 17 6.02pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Wayne Rooney is a working class lad who happens to be on £300,000 a week.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 22 Dec 17 7.30pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst


As I said it's what you bring to the table
If a plumber comes and fixes your boiler at 3am and it's -10c you would pay him the £200 quid
If he comes in the summer at 3pm and it's 20c you would begrudge £200 so he doesn't charge that.
Hence a dealer earns his boss 10 m a year he's worth 2 m
If he earns 1 m he get loads less.
Relevant even at base level.
It's what the jobs worth to you at the receiving end.

The mentality of 'what's it worth to you' is unregulated capitalism. It's not best for society at large once the rewards can vastly out strip the work.

For example.....the internet and the web wouldn't likely have even got started with this kind of 'what's it worth to you' mentality. The language needed to connect pages was created and given away for free.

A lot of the current infrastructure all of us use in life wasn't created by us and we use it.....with a 'what's it worth' mentality......well, we would see far more toll gates on roads for example.

Unregulated capitalism eats itself, just as communism does.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Dec 2017 7.30pm)

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 22 Dec 17 7.33pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

Wayne Rooney is a working class lad who happens to be on £300,000 a week.

As said, there is working class by wage and working class by mentality.

He has the mentality but he isn't working class....he doens't have to deal with any of the problems of working people...over and above a certain amount of money you just can't be working class....even if that's where you came from.....but he has the mentality because he was raised working class.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

As said, there is working class by wage and working class by mentality.

He has the mentality but he isn't working class....he doens't have to deal with any of the problems of working people...over and above a certain amount of money you just can't be working class....even if that's where you came from.....but he has the mentality because he was raised working class.

Ok let's twist that one a bit. If a privately-educated RP-spoken fella from a well to do background, whose relatives and descendants were of the professional class, as are all his friends, but he himself had been employed as a £15,000 a year waiter for the last five years; does that stop him being the ultra middle class lad which his background and environment dictates that he is?

I think not.

 


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.TUX. Flag 22 Dec 17 8.13pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The mentality of 'what's it worth to you' is unregulated capitalism. It's not best for society at large once the rewards can vastly out strip the work.

For example.....the internet and the web wouldn't likely have even got started with this kind of 'what's it worth to you' mentality. The language needed to connect pages was created and given away for free.

A lot of the current infrastructure all of us use in life wasn't created by us and we use it.....with a 'what's it worth' mentality......well, we would see far more toll gates on roads for example.

Unregulated capitalism eats itself, just as communism does.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Dec 2017 7.30pm)

I disagree. Unregulated capitalism is true capitalism in every sense, ie if you're good at what you do the public will keep you/your business alive. If not, you burn.
Today there are rules for everything. Just this morning, for example, the US federal government published another 709 pages of new 'regulations'.

WTF!


 


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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 22 Dec 17 8.24pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by .TUX.

I disagree. Unregulated capitalism is true capitalism in every sense, ie if you're good at what you do the public will keep you/your business alive. If not, you burn.
Today there are rules for everything. Just this morning, for example, the US federal government published another 709 pages of new 'regulations'.

WTF!


Whilst i agree, the fact is that if that business is free to do what it will, with no holds barred, and its goods are not sustainable then it will burn eventually anyhow. Or, looking at the bigger picture, irresponsible, unregulated, aggressive free-market capitalism can only but implode.

I prefer the policies of more enlightened countries who mix it up a bit with a bit of socialism and limits to just how much corporations can monopolise and take without due care.

 


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.TUX. Flag 22 Dec 17 8.41pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Whilst i agree, the fact is that if that business is free to do what it will, with no holds barred, and its goods are not sustainable then it will burn eventually anyhow. Or, looking at the bigger picture, irresponsible, unregulated, aggressive free-market capitalism can only but implode.

I prefer the policies of more enlightened countries who mix it up a bit with a bit of socialism and limits to just how much corporations can monopolise and take without due care.

How do you think that we, as a civilisation, progressed for thousands of years?
When was this ''implosion'' that you mention?

Regulation stifles ingenuity. The marketplace should be the only judge.

 


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Originally posted by .TUX.

How do you think that we, as a civilisation, progressed for thousands of years?
When was this ''implosion'' that you mention?

Regulation stifles ingenuity. The marketplace should be the only judge.

The human race, you mean? We are not in this all together. Some have progressed/benefited and some have suffered through the modern capitalist system.

If you scan the globe you will easily find areas that have been aggressively destroyed in the pursuit of profit and the locals who have born the brunt.

Also, you are contradicting yourself. You hate the banks more than anyone but they are the finest example of what you have just promoted.

Edited by Kermit8 (22 Dec 2017 8.53pm)

 


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