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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 26 Dec 17 7.19pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by rikz

You already explained why tho, as many animals are born being capable of surviving already. Humans are so under developed at birth they rely on both parents to ensure the best possible chance of survival.

Basically pretty much everything can be explained by science and biology.

science, biology and economics .

wealthy fellas are more attractive, ceteris paribus.

 


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View rikz's Profile rikz Flag Croydon 26 Dec 17 10.20pm Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

science, biology and economics .

wealthy fellas are more attractive, ceteris paribus.

Of course but it's not so much as the wealth women are attracted to, it's the traits of a wealthy man, a wealthy man will usually be ambitious, intelligent, driven ect and the fact they can be the best possible provider. We refer to women as gold diggers but there's actually nothing wrong with that, it's what they are naturally programmed to do. We would never evolve as species if women were attracted to men that couldn't protect or provide for them.

Revert back to society that isn't under a monetary system and the rich and successful guys would be replaced by the best hunter gatherers.

The only difference now are the best in society get rewarded by money and are able to preserve and pass down their wealth, so you will get useless humans who hold high social status and are wealthy who would never have been capable of achieving this on their own merit.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 27 Dec 17 3.35pm

Originally posted by rikz


There was an amazing nature documentary on BBC 2 and they actually exist in the animal kingdom, using sneaky tactics to reproduce aswell.

So some examples, most females are guarded by the alpha male while they're fertile, cuttlefish runts will use camouflage To change their colouring to that of a female, sneak under the alpha and quickly mate before running. Beta beetles will dig their own tunnel leading them to the female, mate and run away. The runt moose while chase the female while the alpha is guarding her and use speed to mate mid sprint before running away.

If they included humans they would of used a male championing female rights before befriending them.

Because the only reason to belive in advancing peoples rights is that you want to have sex with them. Thats what Richard Pankhurst was all about, getting some sufferage tail.

Do you have any female friends?

 


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wordup Flag 27 Dec 17 3.49pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Because the only reason to belive in advancing peoples rights is that you want to have sex with them. Thats what Richard Pankhurst was all about, getting some sufferage tail.

Do you have any female friends?

If you do anything remotely unselfish now for someone you believe to be in need, you're accused of 'virtue signalling' or of having some unseemly motive, depending on who you are helping.

It's no doubt a very comforting life to have that mindset, because you get to perpetually talk yourself out of bothering to be a decent person towards others.


 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 27 Dec 17 4.07pm

Originally posted by rikz

Of course but it's not so much as the wealth women are attracted to, it's the traits of a wealthy man, a wealthy man will usually be ambitious, intelligent, driven ect and the fact they can be the best possible provider. We refer to women as gold diggers but there's actually nothing wrong with that, it's what they are naturally programmed to do. We would never evolve as species if women were attracted to men that couldn't protect or provide for them.

Revert back to society that isn't under a monetary system and the rich and successful guys would be replaced by the best hunter gatherers.

The only difference now are the best in society get rewarded by money and are able to preserve and pass down their wealth, so you will get useless humans who hold high social status and are wealthy who would never have been capable of achieving this on their own merit.

Not really true, hunter gathers tend not to be the most respected members of tribal society, as they fulfill common roles of non-specialists (the unskilled labour) are traditionally lower class than specialists in those societies.

Being capable of build houses, manfacturing clothing, digging wells, raising animals for tanning leather, extracting metal and making weapons, tools and production of food and religious ceremonies coverts much more prestige in primitive societies. Tribal societies don't tend to be led by the best hunter or gatherer - but almost every male will start out as a hunter-gatherer. Leaders of tribes tend more towards the thinkers and planners, rather than those who are 'stuck in the job they got after leaving school'.

If you're a hunter and a gatherer, as an adult, you're not really very successful. Its a useful skill but your not cutting it as a man. Its more like an entry level job - As people get older, they do less of it and more often socially, rather than functionally.

It was farmers, that transcended Hunter Gathering societies, not the bold hardy hunter who could fetch food and hunt down prey (thats what you do if you can't do anything else). Human society has a long standing tradition of rewarding those who think, over those that do.

No society has ever really rewarded the disposable labour force - and that is what being a hunter and gatherer in a tribal society is - The disposable labour.


 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Because the only reason to belive in advancing peoples rights is that you want to have sex with them. Thats what Richard Pankhurst was all about, getting some sufferage tail.

Do you have any female friends?

Actually have one female friend who have known for many years. Both married and get on really well but no 'physical' interest in each other. Meet up every so often and chat about all and everything.
Unusual I admit -but really enjoyable.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 27 Dec 17 4.11pm

Originally posted by wordup

If you do anything remotely unselfish now for someone you believe to be in need, you're accused of 'virtue signalling' or of having some unseemly motive, depending on who you are helping.

It's no doubt a very comforting life to have that mindset, because you get to perpetually talk yourself out of bothering to be a decent person towards others.


Its not really even unselfish, treating people as if they're a person, seems kind of like a reasonable default. Its almost as if the human species consists of a number of different people, with different experiences, and that by listening to them, you can obtain a better perspective of being, than assuming your single outlook fits all.

 


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wordup Flag 27 Dec 17 4.15pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Its not really even unselfish, treating people as if they're a person, seems kind of like a reasonable default. Its almost as if the human species consists of a number of different people, with different experiences, and that by listening to them, you can obtain a better perspective of being, than assuming your single outlook fits all.

Yes, the golden rule essentially. We're living in a weird time though where some find virtue in people being treated badly because it's seen as 'authentic' somehow. Which of course it isn't. It's a lurch in a different that we're hopefully able to move away from soon enough. Arguably most people don't hold this kind of outlook anyway, it's just that fair minded people keep their head down or just get on with life in much the same way that they always have.


 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 27 Dec 17 4.17pm

Originally posted by rob1969

Actually have one female friend who have known for many years. Both married and get on really well but no 'physical' interest in each other. Meet up every so often and chat about all and everything.
Unusual I admit -but really enjoyable.

Its not unusual, I have had human friends over the last 46 years - these tend to have been divergent across a spectrum of gender, sexuality, orientation, ethnicity and ontology.

I never realised there were strict rules about who you could and couldn't be friends with in order to retain being 'a man'.


 


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wordup Flag 27 Dec 17 4.25pm

Originally posted by rob1969

Actually have one female friend who have known for many years. Both married and get on really well but no 'physical' interest in each other. Meet up every so often and chat about all and everything.
Unusual I admit -but really enjoyable.

Similar to me really, I have a couple of good female friends, one married, one unmarried and both offer interesting perspectives on things. Perspectives I'd be missing out on if I adhered to the idea that being friends with them was somehow odd or taboo.

 

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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Not really true, hunter gathers tend not to be the most respected members of tribal society, as they fulfill common roles of non-specialists (the unskilled labour) are traditionally lower class than specialists in those societies.

Being capable of build houses, manfacturing clothing, digging wells, raising animals for tanning leather, extracting metal and making weapons, tools and production of food and religious ceremonies coverts much more prestige in primitive societies. Tribal societies don't tend to be led by the best hunter or gatherer - but almost every male will start out as a hunter-gatherer. Leaders of tribes tend more towards the thinkers and planners, rather than those who are 'stuck in the job they got after leaving school'.

If you're a hunter and a gatherer, as an adult, you're not really very successful. Its a useful skill but your not cutting it as a man. Its more like an entry level job - As people get older, they do less of it and more often socially, rather than functionally.

It was farmers, that transcended Hunter Gathering societies, not the bold hardy hunter who could fetch food and hunt down prey (thats what you do if you can't do anything else). Human society has a long standing tradition of rewarding those who think, over those that do.

No society has ever really rewarded the disposable labour force - and that is what being a hunter and gatherer in a tribal society is - The disposable labour.


But you're using examples of an advanced human society, before farming, engineering and skilled tradesmen, at our most basic women would of been attracted to the man who could provide food, shelter and protection.

 

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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Because the only reason to belive in advancing peoples rights is that you want to have sex with them. Thats what Richard Pankhurst was all about, getting some sufferage tail.

Do you have any female friends?

Plenty, the difference is, I'll be taking the piss out of them, and the female race to their face not telling them how hard done by they are, I also wouldn't tell them every guy that's trying to get into them is a misogynist pig because secretly I want them, if I did I would of certainly made a play already and it would be obvious what my intentions were. I certainly wouldn't be friends with a girl who I've made a play for and she's decided to friendzone me, it's so sad and pathetic.

 

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