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dp Tunbridge Wells 13 Jan 18 11.23am
Originally posted by mattteo Ok then. Wickham won't go on loan and will train with the reserves for 6 months. Not that big a deal. We were off topic anyway Yes, my problem with that proposition was that it might be seen as some money saving measure to allow us to spend more on players. If we were to send him on loan to, say Burton Albion, then we would pay most of his salary and thus, it would make little difference in terms of funds. This aside from his long time injured and lack of any fitness - which would make him unattractive, even at a cut price. My other problems with your suggestion is the wages element - players on frees and nearing the end of their contracts want more money in wages, which makes them relatively more expensive. The other issue is the idea of bringing too many players in at once when there is no actual need. If these players were proven Premiership players then it may be different, but they are foreign - possibly prone to homesickness and unlikely to all be match fit. I believe that the model last winter is the way to go. Regardless of how many we need, the team spirit dictates that we are limited to 4 decent signing that will take us forward. Perhaps a fifth to cover for our injury woes in defence. Matteo, I am not sure that English is your first language and I read your posts accordingly - but saying that you are the Expert and that you could do better than Roy is likely to inflame the situation.
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Tunbridge Wells 13 Jan 18 11.23am

Originally posted by mattteo

Ok then. Wickham won't go on loan and will train with the reserves for 6 months.
Not that big a deal.

We were off topic anyway

Yes, my problem with that proposition was that it might be seen as some money saving measure to allow us to spend more on players. If we were to send him on loan to, say Burton Albion, then we would pay most of his salary and thus, it would make little difference in terms of funds. This aside from his long time injured and lack of any fitness - which would make him unattractive, even at a cut price.

My other problems with your suggestion is the wages element - players on frees and nearing the end of their contracts want more money in wages, which makes them relatively more expensive.

The other issue is the idea of bringing too many players in at once when there is no actual need. If these players were proven Premiership players then it may be different, but they are foreign - possibly prone to homesickness and unlikely to all be match fit.

I believe that the model last winter is the way to go. Regardless of how many we need, the team spirit dictates that we are limited to 4 decent signing that will take us forward. Perhaps a fifth to cover for our injury woes in defence.

Matteo, I am not sure that English is your first language and I read your posts accordingly - but saying that you are the Expert and that you could do better than Roy is likely to inflame the situation.

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mattteo 13 Jan 18 12.24pm
Originally posted by dp Yes, my problem with that proposition was that it might be seen as some money saving measure to allow us to spend more on players. If we were to send him on loan to, say Burton Albion, then we would pay most of his salary and thus, it would make little difference in terms of funds. This aside from his long time injured and lack of any fitness - which would make him unattractive, even at a cut price. My other problems with your suggestion is the wages element - players on frees and nearing the end of their contracts want more money in wages, which makes them relatively more expensive. The other issue is the idea of bringing too many players in at once when there is no actual need. If these players were proven Premiership players then it may be different, but they are foreign - possibly prone to homesickness and unlikely to all be match fit. I believe that the model last winter is the way to go. Regardless of how many we need, the team spirit dictates that we are limited to 4 decent signing that will take us forward. Perhaps a fifth to cover for our injury woes in defence. Matteo, I am not sure that English is your first language and I read your posts accordingly - but saying that you are the Expert and that you could do better than Roy is likely to inflame the situation. Not better than Roy. I meant than some scouts handling the transfers. I doubt Roy has much saying in the transfers, despite what the club might want supporters to think. Hodgson may come up with a proposition or two, but decisions are made somewhere else, at another level. Regarding how fit players would be, I offered names of players still in their 20s, I think they should be fit: Ola John is 25 Hernani is 26 Jony is 26 Da Costa is 24 Ezekiel is 24 Andone is 24 I also wanted a well known striker, with great numbers across the years (like Asamoah Gyan or Obefemi Martins or Emenike) and I mentioned that I'd be looking at only the one who is most fit. Regarding budgetary constraints, I think that I've just spent what I can make. I don't think it would be such a big problems if Connor Wickham stayed another 6 months on the paycheck. So far, it appears as though the club DOES have a transfer budget without the need to actually sell. So unless Benteke or PVA leave giving the club an income of 20 million, we're looking at an expenditure of over 30 million this winter (bids for Sakho/Niasse- 12 million, Khouma Babacar-15 million and Matt Phillip-10 million + a goalkeeper and maybe a center back worth 5+ million each) So I don't think my proposition is one with a budget problem if Connor Wickham doesn't leave. I said 8 players with decent salaries coming in, 3 players with PL salaries going out immediately (Mutch, Lee Chung Yeong, Souare). With Puncheon and Delaney and probably 2 more (Kelly/TFM/Riedewald, maybe Sako) going out in the summer. Without counting Wickham. Players coming in from other leagues earn probably half of what PL players do, that's how big the difference has become. Nils Petersen would gladly have Lee Chung Yeong's salary. Why so many signings? There are only 4 attacking players in the team: Zaha, Townsend, Benteke, Sako. Normally there should be 4 side midfielders, 2 center forwards and 2 secondary strikers or attacking midfielders. That's 8. Considering Lee Chung Yeong and Kaikai are not up to par, Connor Wickham can't just swing back into the PL and RLC is more central midfielder/playmaker like Cabaye than attacking midfielder, there will surely be player for player replacements in the winter. I've come up with the 5 attacking players up front because I needed the money and so Benteke had to go too. The need for a right wingback is also evident and the goalkeeper is out of the question. Edited by mattteo (13 Jan 2018 12.31pm)
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mattteo

13 Jan 18 12.24pm

Originally posted by dp

My other problems with your suggestion is the wages element - players on frees and nearing the end of their contracts want more money in wages, which makes them relatively more expensive.

Not better than Roy. I meant than some scouts handling the transfers. I doubt Roy has much saying in the transfers, despite what the club might want supporters to think. Hodgson may come up with a proposition or two, but decisions are made somewhere else, at another level.

Regarding how fit players would be, I offered names of players still in their 20s, I think they should be fit:
Ola John is 25
Hernani is 26
Jony is 26
Da Costa is 24
Ezekiel is 24
Andone is 24
I also wanted a well known striker, with great numbers across the years (like Asamoah Gyan or Obefemi Martins or Emenike) and I mentioned that I'd be looking at only the one who is most fit.

Regarding budgetary constraints, I think that I've just spent what I can make. I don't think it would be such a big problems if Connor Wickham stayed another 6 months on the paycheck.
So far, it appears as though the club DOES have a transfer budget without the need to actually sell. So unless Benteke or PVA leave giving the club an income of 20 million, we're looking at an expenditure of over 30 million this winter (bids for Sakho/Niasse- 12 million, Khouma Babacar-15 million and Matt Phillip-10 million + a goalkeeper and maybe a center back worth 5+ million each)

So I don't think my proposition is one with a budget problem if Connor Wickham doesn't leave.
I said 8 players with decent salaries coming in, 3 players with PL salaries going out immediately (Mutch, Lee Chung Yeong, Souare). With Puncheon and Delaney and probably 2 more (Kelly/TFM/Riedewald, maybe Sako) going out in the summer. Without counting Wickham.
Players coming in from other leagues earn probably half of what PL players do, that's how big the difference has become. Nils Petersen would gladly have Lee Chung Yeong's salary.

Why so many signings? There are only 4 attacking players in the team: Zaha, Townsend, Benteke, Sako.
Normally there should be 4 side midfielders, 2 center forwards and 2 secondary strikers or attacking midfielders. That's 8.
Considering Lee Chung Yeong and Kaikai are not up to par, Connor Wickham can't just swing back into the PL and RLC is more central midfielder/playmaker like Cabaye than attacking midfielder, there will surely be player for player replacements in the winter.

I've come up with the 5 attacking players up front because I needed the money and so Benteke had to go too. The need for a right wingback is also evident and the goalkeeper is out of the question.

Edited by mattteo (13 Jan 2018 12.31pm)

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spartakev2 Anerley 13 Jan 18 1.04pm
Originally posted by mattteo Not better than Roy. I meant than some scouts handling the transfers. I doubt Roy has much saying in the transfers, despite what the club might want supporters to think. Hodgson may come up with a proposition or two, but decisions are made somewhere else, at another level. Regarding how fit players would be, I offered names of players still in their 20s, I think they should be fit: Ola John is 25 Hernani is 26 Jony is 26 Da Costa is 24 Ezekiel is 24 Andone is 24 I also wanted a well known striker, with great numbers across the years (like Asamoah Gyan or Obefemi Martins or Emenike) and I mentioned that I'd be looking at only the one who is most fit. Regarding budgetary constraints, I think that I've just spent what I can make. I don't think it would be such a big problems if Connor Wickham stayed another 6 months on the paycheck. So far, it appears as though the club DOES have a transfer budget without the need to actually sell. So unless Benteke or PVA leave giving the club an income of 20 million, we're looking at an expenditure of over 30 million this winter (bids for Sakho/Niasse- 12 million, Khouma Babacar-15 million and Matt Phillip-10 million + a goalkeeper and maybe a center back worth 5+ million each) So I don't think my proposition is one with a budget problem if Connor Wickham doesn't leave. I said 8 players with decent salaries coming in, 3 players with PL salaries going out immediately (Mutch, Lee Chung Yeong, Souare). With Puncheon and Delaney and probably 2 more (Kelly/TFM/Riedewald, maybe Sako) going out in the summer. Without counting Wickham. Players coming in from other leagues earn probably half of what PL players do, that's how big the difference has become. Nils Petersen would gladly have Lee Chung Yeong's salary. Why so many signings? There are only 4 attacking players in the team: Zaha, Townsend, Benteke, Sako. Normally there should be 4 side midfielders, 2 center forwards and 2 secondary strikers or attacking midfielders. That's 8. Considering Lee Chung Yeong and Kaikai are not up to par, Connor Wickham can't just swing back into the PL and RLC is more central midfielder/playmaker like Cabaye than attacking midfielder, there will surely be player for player replacements in the winter. I've come up with the 5 attacking players up front because I needed the money and so Benteke had to go too. The need for a right wingback is also evident and the goalkeeper is out of the question. Edited by mattteo (13 Jan 2018 12.31pm) So if I'm reading this right (must admit I've only skimmed over it) you want to get rid of an experienced premiership goakscorer, and bring in 8 players in this window who have never played in England? Sounds like a huge gamble to me and one that has no hope at all of happening.
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spartakev2

Anerley 13 Jan 18 1.04pm

Originally posted by mattteo

I've come up with the 5 attacking players up front because I needed the money and so Benteke had to go too. The need for a right wingback is also evident and the goalkeeper is out of the question.

Edited by mattteo (13 Jan 2018 12.31pm)

So if I'm reading this right (must admit I've only skimmed over it) you want to get rid of an experienced premiership goakscorer, and bring in 8 players in this window who have never played in England? Sounds like a huge gamble to me and one that has no hope at all of happening.

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mattteo 13 Jan 18 1.11pm
Originally posted by spartakev2 So if I'm reading this right (must admit I've only skimmed over it) you want to get rid of an experienced premiership goakscorer, You're not reading this right Benteke is defo not a goalscorer imo Also, does Petersen not play football in the Bundesliga? Is that a weak championship? When England and Germany national teams meet, is it that easy to beat them? Do they not play the same sport?? Did Benteke not originally come from another league too? Hasn't mostly everyone? Edited by mattteo (13 Jan 2018 1.14pm)
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mattteo

13 Jan 18 1.11pm

Originally posted by spartakev2

So if I'm reading this right (must admit I've only skimmed over it) you want to get rid of an experienced premiership goakscorer,

You're not reading this right Benteke is defo not a goalscorer imo

Also, does Petersen not play football in the Bundesliga? Is that a weak championship? When England and Germany national teams meet, is it that easy to beat them? Do they not play the same sport??

Did Benteke not originally come from another league too? Hasn't mostly everyone?

Edited by mattteo (13 Jan 2018 1.14pm)

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Mr Palaceman 13 Jan 18 1.19pm
Originally posted by dp Matteo, who in their right mind would take Conor Wickham on loan? We would... "You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead" Stan Laurel
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Mr Palaceman

13 Jan 18 1.19pm

Originally posted by dp

Matteo, who in their right mind would take Conor Wickham on loan?

We would...

"You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead"

Stan Laurel

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 13 Jan 18 1.24pm
Parish on radio 5. 2 mins in. COYP
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Caterham 13 Jan 18 1.24pm

Parish on radio 5. 2 mins in.

COYP

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spartakev2 Anerley 13 Jan 18 1.25pm
Originally posted by mattteo You're not reading this right Benteke is defo not a goalscorer imo Also, does Petersen not play football in the Bundesliga? Is that a weak championship? When England and Germany national teams meet, is it that easy to beat them? Do they not play the same sport?? Did Benteke not originally come from another league too? Hasn't mostly everyone? Edited by mattteo (13 Jan 2018 1.14pm) For every foreign player who comes over and does well, there are many more that don't make it.Reidewald was/is a very good prospect, abd uourd happy to get rid of him after half a season . Bringing in 8 in jan window, when you're in a relegation battle is just ridiculous. How would you integrate them..all 8 at once, keep swapping your team around every game to accommodate them. Would bd a disaster. If we're going to have an overhaul January is not the time to do it.
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Anerley 13 Jan 18 1.25pm

Originally posted by mattteo

You're not reading this right Benteke is defo not a goalscorer imo

Also, does Petersen not play football in the Bundesliga? Is that a weak championship? When England and Germany national teams meet, is it that easy to beat them? Do they not play the same sport??

Did Benteke not originally come from another league too? Hasn't mostly everyone?

Edited by mattteo (13 Jan 2018 1.14pm)

For every foreign player who comes over and does well, there are many more that don't make it.Reidewald was/is a very good prospect, abd uourd happy to get rid of him after half a season . Bringing in 8 in jan window, when you're in a relegation battle is just ridiculous. How would you integrate them..all 8 at once, keep swapping your team around every game to accommodate them. Would bd a disaster. If we're going to have an overhaul January is not the time to do it.

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mattteo 13 Jan 18 2.16pm
Originally posted by spartakev2 For every foreign player who comes over and does well, there are many more that don't make it. PLease name the strikers who had been playing well in other top leagues and done bad in the PL please. 2 strikers and 1 winger will definitely come in this winter+ a goalkeeper and a center back/defensive midfielder. So 5 will come in. Palace's is not a normal PL squad, but a very weak one. In the summer, players like Kaikai and Chung Yeong made the first 22, which is not the case in most PL teams. I just added a right wingback. Would competition for Ward really be damaging for the team? And Benteke swapped for someone else. That's just what I think, that it's time to pull the plug, he has been waited enough. He's not going to hit 10 goals in half a season. No way someone will be worse than him. Edited by mattteo (13 Jan 2018 2.16pm) Edited by mattteo (13 Jan 2018 2.18pm)
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mattteo

13 Jan 18 2.16pm

Originally posted by spartakev2

For every foreign player who comes over and does well, there are many more that don't make it.

PLease name the strikers who had been playing well in other top leagues and done bad in the PL please.

2 strikers and 1 winger will definitely come in this winter+ a goalkeeper and a center back/defensive midfielder. So 5 will come in. Palace's is not a normal PL squad, but a very weak one. In the summer, players like Kaikai and Chung Yeong made the first 22, which is not the case in most PL teams.

I just added a right wingback. Would competition for Ward really be damaging for the team? And Benteke swapped for someone else. That's just what I think, that it's time to pull the plug, he has been waited enough. He's not going to hit 10 goals in half a season. No way someone will be worse than him.

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wainesworld west wickham 13 Jan 18 2.44pm
People dont seem to realise that clubs take out insurance policies on players so if they are out for any length of time the wages are paid by the insurance not the club. So you can discount Wickhams wages in the argument.
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west wickham 13 Jan 18 2.44pm

People dont seem to realise that clubs take out insurance policies on players so if they are out for any length of time the wages are paid by the insurance not the club. So you can discount Wickhams wages in the argument.

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robdave2k 13 Jan 18 2.53pm
Originally posted by mattteo PLease name the strikers who had been playing well in other top leagues and done bad in the PL please. 2 strikers and 1 winger will definitely come in this winter+ a goalkeeper and a center back/defensive midfielder. So 5 will come in. Palace's is not a normal PL squad, but a very weak one. In the summer, players like Kaikai and Chung Yeong made the first 22, which is not the case in most PL teams. I just added a right wingback. Would competition for Ward really be damaging for the team? And Benteke swapped for someone else. That's just what I think, that it's time to pull the plug, he has been waited enough. He's not going to hit 10 goals in half a season. No way someone will be worse than him. Edited by mattteo (13 Jan 2018 2.16pm) Edited by mattteo (13 Jan 2018 2.18pm) Andriy Shevchenko Radamel Falcao Gervinho Diego Forlan Roberto Soldado Angel Di Maria To name half a dozen that cost a fortune Some others around the �10m mark Ricky van Wolfswinkel Mateja Kezman Afonso Alves
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robdave2k

13 Jan 18 2.53pm

Originally posted by mattteo

PLease name the strikers who had been playing well in other top leagues and done bad in the PL please.

Edited by mattteo (13 Jan 2018 2.16pm)

Edited by mattteo (13 Jan 2018 2.18pm)

Andriy Shevchenko
Radamel Falcao
Gervinho
Diego Forlan
Roberto Soldado
Angel Di Maria

To name half a dozen that cost a fortune

Some others around the �10m mark

Ricky van Wolfswinkel
Mateja Kezman
Afonso Alves

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se25 rudy se25 13 Jan 18 3.07pm
Originally posted by mattteo PLease name the strikers who had been playing well in other top leagues and done bad in the PL please. 2 strikers and 1 winger will definitely come in this winter+ a goalkeeper and a center back/defensive midfielder. So 5 will come in. Palace's is not a normal PL squad, but a very weak one. In the summer, players like Kaikai and Chung Yeong made the first 22, which is not the case in most PL teams. I just added a right wingback. Would competition for Ward really be damaging for the team? And Benteke swapped for someone else. That's just what I think, that it's time to pull the plug, he has been waited enough. He's not going to hit 10 goals in half a season. No way someone will be worse than him. Edited by mattteo (13 Jan 2018 2.16pm) Edited by mattteo (13 Jan 2018 2.18pm) Jo, Balaban, Kezman, Rasiak, Sanogo, Soldado, Jansson,V an Wolfswinkel, Cornelius, Mitriglou, G'uivach, Altidore, Luque, Grabbi, Jarde, Alliadiere, Corradi, Eder, Emnes, Samaras, Forlan, Postiga, Riviere, Todorov, Aghahowa, N;gog, Borgett, Zaza, Cordone, Rebrov, Maerlet, Chamakh, Voronin, Piquionne, Maiga, Eminike, De Jong, Kalinic, Pizarro, Bakayoko, Olisadebe, Maccarone, Kramaric, Doumbia, Delgado................
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se25 13 Jan 18 3.07pm

Originally posted by mattteo

PLease name the strikers who had been playing well in other top leagues and done bad in the PL please.

2 strikers and 1 winger will definitely come in this winter+ a goalkeeper and a center back/defensive midfielder. So 5 will come in. Palace's is not a normal PL squad, but a very weak one. In the summer, players like Kaikai and Chung Yeong made the first 22, which is not the case in most PL teams.

Edited by mattteo (13 Jan 2018 2.16pm)

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Jo, Balaban, Kezman, Rasiak, Sanogo, Soldado, Jansson,V an Wolfswinkel, Cornelius, Mitriglou, G'uivach, Altidore, Luque, Grabbi, Jarde, Alliadiere, Corradi, Eder, Emnes, Samaras, Forlan, Postiga, Riviere, Todorov, Aghahowa, N;gog, Borgett, Zaza, Cordone, Rebrov, Maerlet, Chamakh, Voronin, Piquionne, Maiga, Eminike, De Jong, Kalinic, Pizarro, Bakayoko, Olisadebe, Maccarone, Kramaric, Doumbia, Delgado................

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mattteo 13 Jan 18 6.20pm
Originally posted by se25 rudy Jo, Balaban, Kezman, Rasiak, Sanogo, Soldado, Jansson,V an Wolfswinkel, Cornelius, Mitriglou, G'uivach, Altidore, Luque, Grabbi, Jarde, Alliadiere, Corradi, Eder, Emnes, Samaras, Forlan, Postiga, Riviere, Todorov, Aghahowa, N;gog, Borgett, Zaza, Cordone, Rebrov, Maerlet, Chamakh, Voronin, Piquionne, Maiga, Eminike, De Jong, Kalinic, Pizarro, Bakayoko, Olisadebe, Maccarone, Kramaric, Doumbia, Delgado................ Jo- how was Jo a player who had done well in a decent league when he came to Man City? He had scored 30 times in 52 Russian league matches (so that's 25 in 52). He was a promise maybe as he was young at just 21, but not a certainty. Balaban- he was before my time or the time I really started watching the PL with attention Kezman- Yeah, he came after whooping numbers in the Eredivisie. However, time has taught about being extra careful with Eredivisie strikers, as they score A LOT in that league. Still wasn't such a bad player: 5 goals and 2 assists in 1200 minutes. He couldn't make it at Chelsea where there was great competition and world top strikers were competing. Doesn't mean he wouldn't have been good for a lower team Sanogo- I'm not sure which Sanago are you referring to. Are you talking about the kid from Arsenal? He was like, what....16 when he came to the PL? What chances did he get in the PL? 1 goal and 1 assist in 400 minutes total for Crystal Palace when on loan (that's not worse than Benteke). I thought he did ok for his age. He was certainly not a proven goalscorer, time will tell in his case Soldado- with this one I agree, but he wasn't actually the worst player ever. He didn't like to run and he mostly scored from penalties after he cost a fortune. Still, without the penalties, he scored 11 and assisted 11 in 4200 minutes for Tottenham. Still not worse than Benteke (but for a better team). He was a flop but was a player who didn't like to run and it should have been evident that the PL was not a place for him. He was already 29 when he came. Vincent Janssen- scored 3 times, assisted twice in 1100 minutes in PL and the Champions League. Hardly was given the time to prove himself. Plus, he came from the Eredivisie. Ricky van Wolfwinkel- he wasn't a great forward before joining Norwich from Sporting. 32 goals and 3 assists in Portugal and the Europa League in 6300 minutes. That's not much for that level. Cornelius- you mean the 19 year old kid?? Mitroglou- played exactly 150 minutes for Fulham. Benteke has played over 1000 minutes without scoring this season. Mitroglou deserved that shot to be honest and make a comparison. But he was only on loan, not a 30 million buy, so Fulham couldn't care less about using him. He proved himself at Benfica. A little old and past it now, but used to be good. Altidore- another player from the Eredivisie (should be weary of those). Still, 3 goals and 7 assists in matches against top division teams while at Sunderland in 2400 minutes. Kind of like Benteke's tally for Palace Eder- came to Swansea in 2015, aged 28, after 14 goals and 7 assists for Braga in the Portuguese league in 4100 minutes. Hardly an accomplished striker Marvin Emnes- practically grew up in England after leaving the Eredivisie at 18. Is he a big goalscorer somewhere else who flopped in the PL? He was never a big goalscorer or assister Georgios Samaras- born in 1985, came to West Brom in the 14/15 season. Everybody knew Samaras didn't like to run. He was a technical player, good at the level in Scotland and for the Greece national team. West Brom realized he doesn't run enough in the PL. Really? it was evident for everyone who watched Samaras play. Why did you buy hum if you knew how he played? A total of 67 minutes in the PL. Assists in both the FA Cup and the League Cup. Diego Forlan- Forlan didn't cut it in the PL? He was great for Man United. There was just competition and he wanted to play more. ALL the PL teams wanted him!! He chose to go to Spain. Helder Postiga- he was at Tottenham before my time. All I know is that he was a 21 year old player and not established in football. Modibo Maiga- came to the PL after scoring 24 and assisting 5 times in 4700 minutes Ligue 1 for Sochaux. 5 goals and 9 assists in 2000 minutes for West Ham. Still not worse than Benteke. Emenike- was used by West Ham very little. Just 650 minutes. Mostly as winger, which Emenike is not. Scored 2 goals. He needed gametime to settle into the team. Just last summer he scored 3 goals in 150 minutes against that Monaco team with Mbappe, Lemar, Falcao, Mendy, Bernardo Silva, Sidibe in the Champions League qualifying phase. His team Fenerbahce lost, but he did score 3 times! 10 goals and 5 assists in just 1900 minutes for Fenerbahce and Olympiakos. He just needs to be in a team which really values him. Kramaric- he was very unused when at Leicester. Didn't get playing time. They should have been more patient with him cause he's really, really good, has exploded in Germany. A 30 million loss for the Premier League. Emanuel Riviere- meniscus rupture in 2015 which kept him on the sidelines for 7 months. Wasn't the same after that. What I'm trying to say and it can be verified for all those players, is that none of them was worse than Benteke. Maybe they didn't shine up the PL, but unless they were pretty poor before coming to the PL (Eder, van Wolfswinkel, Emnes), very young and unproven (Cornelius, Sanogo) or had a nasty injury, then ALL THOSE PLAYERS DID BETTER THAN BENTEKE. Benteke for Palace and Aston Villa in the PL: 49 goals and 12 assists in 11700 minutes. That's 1 every 200 minutes in a very long period. With a decline in recent times, a trend which is set to continue. If a club is willing to offer 20 million to get Benteke, that would be magical. Keeping him for any longer will only further decrease his value. If there are people at Chelsea or Everton who somehow still think he's still that kid from Genk who will explode one day, then, by all means, indulge their fantasy. He's the player in the squad who can bring most money in without being a loss for the performance of the team. Neither player which I have proposed: Nils Petersen, Andone, Niasse, Asamoah Gyan, could possibly have a worse long term statistic than Benteke. Heck, sell benteke and with 30 million you can buy Ciro Immobile! Edited by mattteo (13 Jan 2018 6.24pm)
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13 Jan 18 6.20pm

Originally posted by se25 rudy

Jo- how was Jo a player who had done well in a decent league when he came to Man City? He had scored 30 times in 52 Russian league matches (so that's 25 in 52). He was a promise maybe as he was young at just 21, but not a certainty.

Balaban- he was before my time or the time I really started watching the PL with attention

Kezman- Yeah, he came after whooping numbers in the Eredivisie. However, time has taught about being extra careful with Eredivisie strikers, as they score A LOT in that league. Still wasn't such a bad player: 5 goals and 2 assists in 1200 minutes. He couldn't make it at Chelsea where there was great competition and world top strikers were competing. Doesn't mean he wouldn't have been good for a lower team

Sanogo- I'm not sure which Sanago are you referring to. Are you talking about the kid from Arsenal? He was like, what....16 when he came to the PL? What chances did he get in the PL? 1 goal and 1 assist in 400 minutes total for Crystal Palace when on loan (that's not worse than Benteke). I thought he did ok for his age. He was certainly not a proven goalscorer, time will tell in his case

Soldado- with this one I agree, but he wasn't actually the worst player ever. He didn't like to run and he mostly scored from penalties after he cost a fortune. Still, without the penalties, he scored 11 and assisted 11 in 4200 minutes for Tottenham. Still not worse than Benteke (but for a better team). He was a flop but was a player who didn't like to run and it should have been evident that the PL was not a place for him. He was already 29 when he came.

Vincent Janssen- scored 3 times, assisted twice in 1100 minutes in PL and the Champions League. Hardly was given the time to prove himself. Plus, he came from the Eredivisie.

Ricky van Wolfwinkel- he wasn't a great forward before joining Norwich from Sporting. 32 goals and 3 assists in Portugal and the Europa League in 6300 minutes. That's not much for that level.

Cornelius- you mean the 19 year old kid??

Mitroglou- played exactly 150 minutes for Fulham. Benteke has played over 1000 minutes without scoring this season. Mitroglou deserved that shot to be honest and make a comparison. But he was only on loan, not a 30 million buy, so Fulham couldn't care less about using him. He proved himself at Benfica. A little old and past it now, but used to be good.

Altidore- another player from the Eredivisie (should be weary of those). Still, 3 goals and 7 assists in matches against top division teams while at Sunderland in 2400 minutes. Kind of like Benteke's tally for Palace

Eder- came to Swansea in 2015, aged 28, after 14 goals and 7 assists for Braga in the Portuguese league in 4100 minutes. Hardly an accomplished striker

Marvin Emnes- practically grew up in England after leaving the Eredivisie at 18. Is he a big goalscorer somewhere else who flopped in the PL? He was never a big goalscorer or assister

Georgios Samaras- born in 1985, came to West Brom in the 14/15 season. Everybody knew Samaras didn't like to run. He was a technical player, good at the level in Scotland and for the Greece national team. West Brom realized he doesn't run enough in the PL. Really? it was evident for everyone who watched Samaras play. Why did you buy hum if you knew how he played? A total of 67 minutes in the PL. Assists in both the FA Cup and the League Cup.

Diego Forlan- Forlan didn't cut it in the PL? He was great for Man United. There was just competition and he wanted to play more. ALL the PL teams wanted him!! He chose to go to Spain.

Helder Postiga- he was at Tottenham before my time. All I know is that he was a 21 year old player and not established in football.

Modibo Maiga- came to the PL after scoring 24 and assisting 5 times in 4700 minutes Ligue 1 for Sochaux. 5 goals and 9 assists in 2000 minutes for West Ham. Still not worse than Benteke.

Emenike- was used by West Ham very little. Just 650 minutes. Mostly as winger, which Emenike is not. Scored 2 goals. He needed gametime to settle into the team. Just last summer he scored 3 goals in 150 minutes against that Monaco team with Mbappe, Lemar, Falcao, Mendy, Bernardo Silva, Sidibe in the Champions League qualifying phase. His team Fenerbahce lost, but he did score 3 times! 10 goals and 5 assists in just 1900 minutes for Fenerbahce and Olympiakos. He just needs to be in a team which really values him.

Kramaric- he was very unused when at Leicester. Didn't get playing time. They should have been more patient with him cause he's really, really good, has exploded in Germany. A 30 million loss for the Premier League.

Emanuel Riviere- meniscus rupture in 2015 which kept him on the sidelines for 7 months. Wasn't the same after that.

What I'm trying to say and it can be verified for all those players, is that none of them was worse than Benteke. Maybe they didn't shine up the PL, but unless they were pretty poor before coming to the PL (Eder, van Wolfswinkel, Emnes), very young and unproven (Cornelius, Sanogo) or had a nasty injury, then ALL THOSE PLAYERS DID BETTER THAN BENTEKE.

Benteke for Palace and Aston Villa in the PL: 49 goals and 12 assists in 11700 minutes. That's 1 every 200 minutes in a very long period. With a decline in recent times, a trend which is set to continue.

If a club is willing to offer 20 million to get Benteke, that would be magical. Keeping him for any longer will only further decrease his value. If there are people at Chelsea or Everton who somehow still think he's still that kid from Genk who will explode one day, then, by all means, indulge their fantasy. He's the player in the squad who can bring most money in without being a loss for the performance of the team.
Neither player which I have proposed: Nils Petersen, Andone, Niasse, Asamoah Gyan, could possibly have a worse long term statistic than Benteke. Heck, sell benteke and with 30 million you can buy Ciro Immobile!

Edited by mattteo (13 Jan 2018 6.24pm)

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