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MKCPFC Spain/MK 14 Jan 18 10.07am
Originally posted by Bitter We can't pretend the first 7 games didn't happen. One of the reasons we've done so well since that start is that we haven't had to play most of those 7 sides again. It's often said that the table doesn't lie. That may be so, but it can certainly mislead when you consider what other teams each team has played and where. In our first 7 games, we played 3 of last year's top 4 away from home. The Premier League table is now starting to take shape as the 6 richest teams and the rest. I strongly beleive that the biggest influence on the order of the rest is the luck of the draw on how the fixtures fall. If you are lucky with the fixtures, you can build confidence, which can help when you have to play the top 6 and more importantly get results aginst the others in the also-ran league. The first 7 games did happen. The first 4 games we two home games against teams that were always going to struggle and an away game at an average side no better than us . We lost them all due to rank bad preparation by Frank, you could see it coming in the pre season. This lead to Roy coming and having to start from scratch and effectively having a to a pre season fixture list against Man City and Man Utd away. The biggest surprise was that we stopped the rot so early against Chelsea. Now we are competing as we should have done from the start we are getting to level we should aspire to , and the other teams are doing the same , especially the newly promoted who are finding that the Premiership gets harder the longer the season goes on. All we need now is a bit of luck with less injuries and no complacency , luckily Roy knows this and I don't think he will let the complacency sneak in.
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Spain/MK 14 Jan 18 10.07am

Originally posted by Bitter

We can't pretend the first 7 games didn't happen. One of the reasons we've done so well since that start is that we haven't had to play most of those 7 sides again.
It's often said that the table doesn't lie. That may be so, but it can certainly mislead when you consider what other teams each team has played and where. In our first 7 games, we played 3 of last year's top 4 away from home. The Premier League table is now starting to take shape as the 6 richest teams and the rest. I strongly beleive that the biggest influence on the order of the rest is the luck of the draw on how the fixtures fall. If you are lucky with the fixtures, you can build confidence, which can help when you have to play the top 6 and more importantly get results aginst the others in the also-ran league.

The first 7 games did happen.
The first 4 games we two home games against teams that were always going to struggle and an away game at an average side no better than us . We lost them all due to rank bad preparation by Frank, you could see it coming in the pre season.
This lead to Roy coming and having to start from scratch and effectively having a to a pre season fixture list against Man City and Man Utd away.
The biggest surprise was that we stopped the rot so early against Chelsea.
Now we are competing as we should have done from the start we are getting to level we should aspire to , and the other teams are doing the same , especially the newly promoted who are finding that the Premiership gets harder the longer the season goes on.
All we need now is a bit of luck with less injuries and no complacency , luckily Roy knows this and I don't think he will let the complacency sneak in.

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phillanth London 14 Jan 18 10.24am
I think Dyche has done a great job at a club with limited resources like us, albeit a club with a glorious tradition (unlike us). Like all managers outside the very rich clubs, he has to make the best of the player resources he has. There is no reason to think that he would use the same tactics if he came to Palace as we have better attacking players.
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London 14 Jan 18 10.24am

I think Dyche has done a great job at a club with limited resources like us, albeit a club with a glorious tradition (unlike us). Like all managers outside the very rich clubs, he has to make the best of the player resources he has. There is no reason to think that he would use the same tactics if he came to Palace as we have better attacking players.

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Username Horsham 14 Jan 18 10.26am
Originally posted by Willo Absolutely correct. Got the club promoted to the PL and when they suffered the sheer trauma of relegation, he got them promoted the following season.And thus far they have exceeded expectations this season.Hat's off to Dyche. So far this season they have been on the right end of the bounce. A lot of one goal wins and other teams not converting chances. You only have to look at the game at Turf Moor where we a) presented them with a gift of a goal and then b) missed from two yards out. They are now coming back to the pack a bit. I didn't think they were particularly good yesterday, and they got back in the game because Sako tired, Luka and Jimmy Mac started giving the ball away cheaply and Wilf had a bit of an off day so we struggled to keep the ball in the second half. Oh, and we'd wasted a number of good chances. In terms of Dyche and his setup, I'd be very worried about his management style, both in terms of his man management and his tactics having much of a shelf life. The system of forfeits and the reluctance to look for players outside of the UK in case personalities don't fit in puts yourself under pressure a lot and can go sour pretty quickly if you have a bad run and the mood in the squad changes a bit. Tactically, the biggest warning sign to me was the absolutely suicidal way they set up in that first half yesterday. They defended with an unbelievably high line, considering that we had Sako and Wilf running in behind. I have absolutely no idea what he was trying to do by effectively giving us a third of the pitch to put the ball into, with a forward line that was clearly going to win most foot races. Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.
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Horsham 14 Jan 18 10.26am

Originally posted by Willo

Absolutely correct.

Got the club promoted to the PL and when they suffered the sheer trauma of relegation, he got them promoted the following season.And thus far they have exceeded expectations this season.Hat's off to Dyche.

So far this season they have been on the right end of the bounce. A lot of one goal wins and other teams not converting chances. You only have to look at the game at Turf Moor where we a) presented them with a gift of a goal and then b) missed from two yards out.

They are now coming back to the pack a bit. I didn't think they were particularly good yesterday, and they got back in the game because Sako tired, Luka and Jimmy Mac started giving the ball away cheaply and Wilf had a bit of an off day so we struggled to keep the ball in the second half. Oh, and we'd wasted a number of good chances.

In terms of Dyche and his setup, I'd be very worried about his management style, both in terms of his man management and his tactics having much of a shelf life. The system of forfeits and the reluctance to look for players outside of the UK in case personalities don't fit in puts yourself under pressure a lot and can go sour pretty quickly if you have a bad run and the mood in the squad changes a bit.

Tactically, the biggest warning sign to me was the absolutely suicidal way they set up in that first half yesterday. They defended with an unbelievably high line, considering that we had Sako and Wilf running in behind. I have absolutely no idea what he was trying to do by effectively giving us a third of the pitch to put the ball into, with a forward line that was clearly going to win most foot races.

Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.

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Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 14 Jan 18 10.54am
Originally posted by MKCPFC The first 7 games did happen. The first 4 games we two home games against teams that were always going to struggle and an away game at an average side no better than us . We lost them all due to rank bad preparation by Frank, you could see it coming in the pre season. This lead to Roy coming and having to start from scratch and effectively having a to a pre season fixture list against Man City and Man Utd away. The biggest surprise was that we stopped the rot so early against Chelsea. Now we are competing as we should have done from the start we are getting to level we should aspire to , and the other teams are doing the same , especially the newly promoted who are finding that the Premiership gets harder the longer the season goes on. All we need now is a bit of luck with less injuries and no complacency , luckily Roy knows this and I don't think he will let the complacency sneak in. Good post ... I've always considered Roy to be a decent manager but must admit he has surpassed my wildest expectations. Hopefully, as you say, the newly promoted teams will find the going harder as the season wears on to give us even more breathing space. Denial is not just a river in Egypt
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Originally posted by MKCPFC

Good post ...

I've always considered Roy to be a decent manager but must admit he has surpassed my wildest expectations.

Hopefully, as you say, the newly promoted teams will find the going harder as the season wears on to give us even more breathing space.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt

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YT Oxford 14 Jan 18 10.58am
Originally posted by spartakev2 According to him on Motd, they deserved at least a draw.....really? Deluded on that point, methinks. Edit- Dyche is deluded, I mean; not spartakev2. Edited by YT (14 Jan 2018 11.00am) Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 14 Jan 18 10.58am

Originally posted by spartakev2

According to him on Motd, they deserved at least a draw.....really?

Deluded on that point, methinks.

Edit- Dyche is deluded, I mean; not spartakev2.

Edited by YT (14 Jan 2018 11.00am)

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chateauferret 14 Jan 18 11.00am
Originally posted by spartakev2 According to him on Motd, they deserved at least a draw.....really? If we'd have scored even half the chances we should have put away in the first half Burnley would have been buried by half time. ============ The Ferret ============
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chateauferret

14 Jan 18 11.00am

Originally posted by spartakev2

According to him on Motd, they deserved at least a draw.....really?

If we'd have scored even half the chances we should have put away in the first half Burnley would have been buried by half time.

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Bitter Harpenden 14 Jan 18 11.31am
Originally posted by bexleydave So what happened to Brighton then, if that's the case? Plus that theory can't possibly explain our loss at home to Huddersfield on day one can it? You're not seriously suggesting that the fixture list is more important than the quality of the management and the squad are you? No, I am not suggesting that the fixture list is more important than the management and the squad, but I am saying that the fixture list is a significant factor that is often overlooked by fans and pundits. When the standard of the management and squads of the also-ran teams is so similar, the fixture list can become a more critical factor in the difference between the form and league position of those also-rans. Sam Allardyce was hailed as a god when Everton's form improved, now they are losing to sides they lost in the first 10 games, he is back to criticising his players. Palace's results against the teams we lost to have improved, Everton's have stayed the same. Dare I suggest that Roy Hodgson is a better manager than Sam Allardyce? To be perfectly honest, I have no idea what happened to Brighton. As a Palace fan I have not been focusing on Brigton's fortunes, other than to note that we are now above them in the league, which is where I expect us to stay for the rest of the season. As for Palace busting a gut to appoint Sean Dyche, IMHO Burnley are welcome to him. There is no doubt that he is getting the best from the players he has at his disposal, but like Allardyce and Pulis, I am not willing to spend a lot of money watching the standard of football he favours. Edited by Bitter (14 Jan 2018 11.35am)
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Harpenden 14 Jan 18 11.31am

Originally posted by bexleydave

So what happened to Brighton then, if that's the case? Plus that theory can't possibly explain our loss at home to Huddersfield on day one can it? You're not seriously suggesting that the fixture list is more important than the quality of the management and the squad are you?

No, I am not suggesting that the fixture list is more important than the management and the squad, but I am saying that the fixture list is a significant factor that is often overlooked by fans and pundits. When the standard of the management and squads of the also-ran teams is so similar, the fixture list can become a more critical factor in the difference between the form and league position of those also-rans. Sam Allardyce was hailed as a god when Everton's form improved, now they are losing to sides they lost in the first 10 games, he is back to criticising his players. Palace's results against the teams we lost to have improved, Everton's have stayed the same. Dare I suggest that Roy Hodgson is a better manager than Sam Allardyce?

To be perfectly honest, I have no idea what happened to Brighton. As a Palace fan I have not been focusing on Brigton's fortunes, other than to note that we are now above them in the league, which is where I expect us to stay for the rest of the season.

As for Palace busting a gut to appoint Sean Dyche, IMHO Burnley are welcome to him. There is no doubt that he is getting the best from the players he has at his disposal, but like Allardyce and Pulis, I am not willing to spend a lot of money watching the standard of football he favours.

Edited by Bitter (14 Jan 2018 11.35am)

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EddieMac 14 Jan 18 11.31am
How can people say "Sean Dyche is nailed on to be our next manager". I wouldnt be overly happy with him in charge, Burnley had a great start but will now start slipping back down the table. If they get a couple more injuries to defenders they will be on a downward spiral. I pray to god that we have Roy in charge for 5 more years and I dont see why not. He has ys playing absolutey brilliantly, Solid in defence and great in attack. The man was never low in my estimations but he is as good as any manager in this division.
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14 Jan 18 11.31am

How can people say "Sean Dyche is nailed on to be our next manager". I wouldnt be overly happy with him in charge, Burnley had a great start but will now start slipping back down the table. If they get a couple more injuries to defenders they will be on a downward spiral.

I pray to god that we have Roy in charge for 5 more years and I dont see why not. He has ys playing absolutey brilliantly, Solid in defence and great in attack. The man was never low in my estimations but he is as good as any manager in this division.

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VinceHilaire London 14 Jan 18 11.51am
Originally posted by EddieMac How can people say "Sean Dyche is nailed on to be our next manager". I wouldnt be overly happy with him in charge, Burnley had a great start but will now start slipping back down the table. If they get a couple more injuries to defenders they will be on a downward spiral. I pray to god that we have Roy in charge for 5 more years and I dont see why not. He has ys playing absolutey brilliantly, Solid in defence and great in attack. The man was never low in my estimations but he is as good as any manager in this division. Agree with this. Roy is doing a quite outstanding job.
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VinceHilaire

London 14 Jan 18 11.51am

Originally posted by EddieMac

Agree with this. Roy is doing a quite outstanding job.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Jan 18 11.54am
Originally posted by VinceHilaire Agree with this. Roy is doing a quite outstanding job. And then some.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Jan 18 11.54am

Originally posted by VinceHilaire

Agree with this. Roy is doing a quite outstanding job.

And then some.

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Gary St.Andrews Kenley 14 Jan 18 12.10pm
Originally posted by chateauferret If we'd have scored even half the chances we should have put away in the first half Burnley would have been buried by half time. Unfortunately Sean Dyche was in the toilets for the first half to witness his team getting battered. If Burnley had mustered a draw it would have been a real injustice...l
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Originally posted by chateauferret

If we'd have scored even half the chances we should have put away in the first half Burnley would have been buried by half time.

Unfortunately Sean Dyche was in the toilets for the first half to witness his team getting battered. If Burnley had mustered a draw it would have been a real injustice...l

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OhthisbloodyPC 14 Jan 18 1.14pm
Dyche is quite right. I'd go so far as to say that if they'd scored more goals than us, they would have won! Originally posted by YT Deluded on that point, methinks. Edit- Dyche is deluded, I mean; not spartakev2. Edited by YT (14 Jan 2018 11.00am)
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OhthisbloodyPC

14 Jan 18 1.14pm

Dyche is quite right.

I'd go so far as to say that if they'd scored more goals than us, they would have won!

Originally posted by YT

Deluded on that point, methinks.

Edit- Dyche is deluded, I mean; not spartakev2.

Edited by YT (14 Jan 2018 11.00am)

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