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View matt_himself's Profile matt_himself Flag Matataland 23 Jan 18 5.22am Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by pefwin

Odd as nobody has mentioned it at all over a considerable period of scandal but....

Vote of no confidence and multiple resignations.

Got to give the racialist credit, he at least trying to keep down the number of leaders per year.

Normal life for the Judge.

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Tell me, is it ‘racialist’ to ask people to pay more or less for the same item or service, based upon the colour of their skin? Is this ‘racislist’?

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UKIP never segregated people based on the colour of their skin and it is arguable that they did more to turn the working classes away from the ugliness of the BNP and it’s racism, than Labour ever did.

With regards UKiP’s, future, it doesn’t have one but that doesn’t mean that their underlying support has gone away, is now gentrified and singing off the same hymn sheet as the metropolitan leftist elite that currently runs Labour.

Whilst it is all very well holding your nose and pointing at Farage, examining the reasons why UKIP was so successful, why they won the referendum and how they came to be the most important political force of the 2010’s, has not been addressed by liberals or the left. All we hear from them is that people are being ‘lied too’ and that UKIP ‘stirs division’. Maybe it’s because New Labour, the Liberal Democrats, Cameron’s Tories and the current mainstream Labour & Tories, all ignored the white, working class (or what that constitutes today), forced change on them, decimated their communities, labelled them as racist (which in my experience is the complete of opposite of one of the most integrated and welcoming strands of society) and didn’t explain the benefits of globalisation, resulting in the big ‘up yours’ aimed at the establishment on June 23 2016.

RIP UKIP and thank you for getting us out of the EU, to define our own future and to regain our sovereignty.

Edited by matt_himself (23 Jan 2018 5.37am)

 


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View CambridgeEagle's Profile CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 23 Jan 18 8.25am Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

Tell me, is it ‘racialist’ to ask people to pay more or less for the same item or service, based upon the colour of their skin? Is this ‘racislist’?

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UKIP never segregated people based on the colour of their skin and it is arguable that they did more to turn the working classes away from the ugliness of the BNP and it’s racism, than Labour ever did.

With regards UKiP’s, future, it doesn’t have one but that doesn’t mean that their underlying support has gone away, is now gentrified and singing off the same hymn sheet as the metropolitan leftist elite that currently runs Labour.

Whilst it is all very well holding your nose and pointing at Farage, examining the reasons why UKIP was so successful, why they won the referendum and how they came to be the most important political force of the 2010’s, has not been addressed by liberals or the left. All we hear from them is that people are being ‘lied too’ and that UKIP ‘stirs division’. Maybe it’s because New Labour, the Liberal Democrats, Cameron’s Tories and the current mainstream Labour & Tories, all ignored the white, working class (or what that constitutes today), forced change on them, decimated their communities, labelled them as racist (which in my experience is the complete of opposite of one of the most integrated and welcoming strands of society) and didn’t explain the benefits of globalisation, resulting in the big ‘up yours’ aimed at the establishment on June 23 2016.

RIP UKIP and thank you for getting us out of the EU, to define our own future and to regain our sovereignty.

Edited by matt_himself (23 Jan 2018 5.37am)

I'd rather Paul the Octopus lead the definition of our future than this current abysmal government.

Brexit has been totally mishandled from start to finish. The whole process has been a farce. It was never taken seriously and so started off on the wrong foot with no leadership and it has got steadily worse from there.

If this is UKIP's legacy then it will go down in History as a force for extreme cock ups.

 

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View matt_himself's Profile matt_himself Flag Matataland 23 Jan 18 8.27am Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

I'd rather Paul the Octopus lead the definition of our future than this current abysmal government.

Brexit has been totally mishandled from start to finish. The whole process has been a farce. It was never taken seriously and so started off on the wrong foot with no leadership and it has got steadily worse from there.

If this is UKIP's legacy then it will go down in History as a force for extreme cock ups.

You have just illustrated my points in my post very succinctly.

Thank you.

Edited by matt_himself (23 Jan 2018 8.28am)

 


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View CambridgeEagle's Profile CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 23 Jan 18 8.48am Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

You have just illustrated my points in my post very succinctly.

Thank you.

Edited by matt_himself (23 Jan 2018 8.28am)

I don't necessarily think Brexit in theory would be doomed to failure, but like any such project should be well planned and carried out at the right time by the right people.

This has not been the blueprint.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 23 Jan 18 8.49am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

RIP UKIP and thank you for getting us out of the EU, to define our own future and to regain our sovereignty.

Edited by matt_himself (23 Jan 2018 5.37am)

Amen to that, best vote I ever cast.

 


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View matt_himself's Profile matt_himself Flag Matataland 23 Jan 18 9.12am Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

I don't necessarily think Brexit in theory would be doomed to failure, but like any such project should be well planned and carried out at the right time by the right people.

This has not been the blueprint.

Again, thank you.

There is a lovely patch of sand, on the construction site, by East Croydon station, which I invite you to stick your head into.

 


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View JRW2's Profile JRW2 Flag Dulwich 23 Jan 18 9.22am Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

They were also a one policy party and once the populace voted to leave the EC they had achieved their aim which is probably why Farage got out whilst on top

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Jan 18 9.28am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

I'd rather Paul the Octopus lead the definition of our future than this current abysmal government.

Brexit has been totally mishandled from start to finish. The whole process has been a farce. It was never taken seriously and so started off on the wrong foot with no leadership and it has got steadily worse from there.

If this is UKIP's legacy then it will go down in History as a force for extreme cock ups.

And Labour have taken more positions on Brexit than the 'Kama Sutra'.They have revealed no fewer than 12 Brexit plans with talks of 'The Single Market', 'A Single Market'. a 'Reformed Market' etc etc. They have no coherent position whatsoever, trying to appeal to both Brexiteers and Remainers for political purposes and their 'Keeping all options open' stance.Thank goodness we don't have that motley crew negotiating with the EU.

Anyway I have stepped off my 'Soapbox' and will return to the football debates !


Edited by Willo (23 Jan 2018 9.35am)

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Online Flag SW2 23 Jan 18 9.58am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

And Labour have taken more positions on Brexit than the 'Kama Sutra'.They have revealed no fewer than 12 Brexit plans with talks of 'The Single Market', 'A Single Market'. a 'Reformed Market' etc etc. They have no coherent position whatsoever, trying to appeal to both Brexiteers and Remainers for political purposes and their 'Keeping all options open' stance.Thank goodness we don't have that motley crew negotiating with the EU.

Anyway I have stepped off my 'Soapbox' and will return to the football debates !


Edited by Willo (23 Jan 2018 9.35am)

The lot in charge of it don't have a clue either. Now get off your soapbox before I climb on it and give you a big ol' boot up the jacksie.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Jan 18 10.14am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by DanH


The lot in charge of it don't have a clue either. Now get off your soapbox before I climb on it and give you a big ol' boot up the jacksie.

I am more than content to get back on my 'Soapbox' and acknowledge this 24-carat tosh.

 

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View CambridgeEagle's Profile CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 23 Jan 18 10.40am Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

And Labour have taken more positions on Brexit than the 'Kama Sutra'.They have revealed no fewer than 12 Brexit plans with talks of 'The Single Market', 'A Single Market'. a 'Reformed Market' etc etc. They have no coherent position whatsoever, trying to appeal to both Brexiteers and Remainers for political purposes and their 'Keeping all options open' stance.Thank goodness we don't have that motley crew negotiating with the EU.

Anyway I have stepped off my 'Soapbox' and will return to the football debates !


Edited by Willo (23 Jan 2018 9.35am)

I didn't say it would necessarily be any better simply by changing government.

The whole process should have been handled different by Dodgy Dave from the start. He doomed the whole thing to failure and now May et al are continuing his good work.

Given the current position and no prospect of anyone other than the Tories running the show it's not really currently incumbent on Labour to be setting out Brexit policy as it wouldn't be worth much. The time to do it will be as we get closer to any election. However I do think they could bring about an election much sooner than 2022 if they came out and said they were committed to single market membership in line with 85% of their membership. This would make significant government defeats on Brexit legislation by October almost certain and likely lead to another election. Add to this a likely recession and the fact that the UK is lagging way behind the rest of the OECD and that's a recipe for changing the course of Brexit and getting rid of the Tories.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 23 Jan 18 10.56am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

I didn't say it would necessarily be any better simply by changing government.

The whole process should have been handled different by Dodgy Dave from the start. He doomed the whole thing to failure and now May et al are continuing his good work.

Given the current position and no prospect of anyone other than the Tories running the show it's not really currently incumbent on Labour to be setting out Brexit policy as it wouldn't be worth much. The time to do it will be as we get closer to any election. However I do think they could bring about an election much sooner than 2022 if they came out and said they were committed to single market membership in line with 85% of their membership. This would make significant government defeats on Brexit legislation by October almost certain and likely lead to another election. Add to this a likely recession and the fact that the UK is lagging way behind the rest of the OECD and that's a recipe for changing the course of Brexit and getting rid of the Tories.

Your last sentence sums up your agenda. You are a socialist Remainer. Everything you say should be read with that in mind.
There is no advantage to allowing another set of people to come into an ongoing situation with no personal experience of what has gone before, especially when those people have already demonstrated that they are not very competent or intellegent.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Jan 2018 10.56am)

 

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