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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 13 Feb 18 7.47pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Can it be any easier to turn your key?
Only a complete moron would consider that 'racist'.
Actually cannibalism was quite common in pre-colonial days. You are just too ill-informed to know about that. Here is Wiki for a basic overview for you diddums.

Just like with Irish immigration you know nothing and would rather cling on to the identity politics version of history rather than the evidence.

Thanks for calling me a complete moron.

I have studied this topic in depth.

The idea that 'much' of the world had to be rescued from cannibalism - and it was by the Brits - is about as far from the truth as it is possible to get. But of course it suits your agenda, the Brits are always superior (provided their great grandparents were also Brit). We politely ignore the various massacres, land expulsions etc.

By the way, the Brits did encourage a resurgence of headhunting and probably cannibalism during the second world war.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 13 Feb 18 7.52pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

This is idealistic though, you are right.

The concept of a social contract between state and individual is functional when both sides can maintain their side of the agreement. But when extraordinary phenomena such as environmental disaster, drought or famine hits, and the state cannot fulfill its function, you are condemning millions of citizens to a status of outcasts, without protection or rights, and often to lives of extreme destitution.

Now with climate change, the double, triple, quadruple irony is that those nations who are worse affected - the non-'culturally similar' ones like Bangladesh, Syria, or sub-Saharan Africa - have often had corporations from the West enter their country, set up resource extraction centres, polluted the area, repressed any forms of dissent, driven indigenous communities away and shipped the oil, minerals, food etc back to us, with little or none of it ever reaching the local communities.

In other words, it is these countries which have seen alien cultures to their own enter, ruin their societies, tear up the social contract and now, indirectly, leave thousands if not millions as outcasts.

To my mind liberals - modern or classical - only assert the significance of the nation because most of them are privileged enough to live in countries not under threat from great distress. The key difference with Climate Change is that it will probably affect countries like Britain France and the US too. It will be interesting to see if you think the conservatives have it right should you yourself be one of the millions displaced.

I think things like say a country that starts to disappear underwater the response of culturally similar countries should be to help in terms of relocation and non culturally similar countries to help via cost and other aspects.

That's how I'd see that ideally.....similar to how we view adoption say....just on a national scale.

As for the responsibilities of this state to people outside of it. We have no direct responsibilities. I offer up help purely within the framework of humanity.....What I don't offer up is the automatic offering of equal rights and residency rights to people who have no allegiance to this country.....I've seen what doing that has done to my country. A significant proportion have done little but bite the hand that helped them.

I support the concept of immigration but only within the prism of being careful on who is admitted.....Secular would be top of my list (and yes you can have a religion and be secular).

If Britain were underwater (not something I personally believe is going to happen) I would see America as the nation that saw us as culturally similar....we founded the country in the first place. Many others would find countries more suited to them personally....whether those countries let them in would be up to them.

As for your criticism of capitalism in third world or under developed countries.....I read your view as a very one sided one.

I certainly agree that an unregulated capitalism of foreign countries within any nation can exploit and plunder it. However, I don't believe that's a fair summary of modern day practices.

If you take these companies away all you do is de-investment plus leave them to the always present exploitation from the corruption within their own societies with no hope of change.......Companies will only invest if they believe the laws with allow stability to exist. Over time that is likely to require a legally fairer set of laws from institutions....otherwise the expansion of investment is always going to be limited......So regulated capitalism slowly encourages fair societies.

I don't agree that the state of under developed countries is the fault of western ones today. Proper management of countries in select nations is showing the shallowness of this viewpoint.

The west has a blueprint on how to build successful societies. The fault as to why many nations are in poverty is due to internal cultural strife and the lack of the rule of law separate from state......In a sense the principles of classical liberalism not being popular enough nor applied.....partly due to religion and partly due to the lack of institutional foundations with any legal backing.


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Originally posted by Mapletree

Thanks for calling me a complete moron.

I have studied this topic in depth.

The idea that 'much' of the world had to be rescued from cannibalism - and it was by the Brits - is about as far from the truth as it is possible to get. But of course it suits your agenda, the Brits are always superior (provided their great grandparents were also Brit). We politely ignore the various massacres, land expulsions etc.

By the way, the Brits did encourage a resurgence of headhunting and probably cannibalism during the second world war.


So you want to interpret my words literally to avoid the fact that cannibalism has been common across the world and that the British discouraged all kinds of uncivilised behaviour, including cannibalism. There is plenty of evidence for cannibalism in various regions over a long period but you still want to pretend it didn't happen.

And you talk of agendas.

 

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 13 Feb 18 8.27pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Thanks for calling me a complete moron.

I have studied this topic in depth.

The idea that 'much' of the world had to be rescued from cannibalism - and it was by the Brits - is about as far from the truth as it is possible to get. But of course it suits your agenda, the Brits are always superior (provided their great grandparents were also Brit). We politely ignore the various massacres, land expulsions etc.

By the way, the Brits did encourage a resurgence of headhunting and probably cannibalism during the second world war.

in the navy it was the cabin boy who was eaten first, and I don't mean in the Funty way.

 


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Originally posted by pefwin

in the navy it was the cabin boy who was eaten first, and I don't mean in the Funty way.

But they did it because they were starving to death not because they liked it.
Some might have got a taste for it I suppose, ala an old episode of Hammer House Of Horror.

 

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 13 Feb 18 8.46pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

But they did it because they were starving to death not because they liked it.
Some might have got a taste for it I suppose, ala an old episode of Hammer House Of Horror.

But they did it, you didn't mention enjoyment and that may be a hard point to prove, and would be heresay at best, especially if you do not even believe genetic science.

 


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Originally posted by pefwin

But they did it, you didn't mention enjoyment and that may be a hard point to prove, and would be heresay at best, especially if you do not even believe genetic science.

Oh I believe in it, I just think that scientists sometimes interpret results with prejudice. You know it's true 'Pefwin'.
Anyway, Cannibalism can be out of necessity or ritual, tradition etc. The pleasure involved is kind of beside the point. Tastes like pork apparently.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 13 Feb 18 9.20pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


So you want to interpret my words literally to avoid the fact that cannibalism has been common across the world and that the British discouraged all kinds of uncivilised behaviour, including cannibalism. There is plenty of evidence for cannibalism in various regions over a long period but you still want to pretend it didn't happen.

And you talk of agendas.

Ah, I was not supposed to interpret your words literally. Now I understand. Does that apply to all of your posts?

Peffers, the cannibalism I have studied was not done because people were hungry.

 

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 13 Feb 18 9.37pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Ah, I was not supposed to interpret your words literally. Now I understand. Does that apply to all of your posts?

Peffers, the cannibalism I have studied was not done because people were hungry.

Like to know your research.

I was interested in changing social mores due to the effect of the nacent media in the late 1700s and 1800s, for example the Dudley & Stephens case in 1884.

Nothing to do with ancient canabalism, criminal, ritual, etc, etc.

 


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Originally posted by Mapletree

Ah, I was not supposed to interpret your words literally. Now I understand. Does that apply to all of your posts?

Peffers, the cannibalism I have studied was not done because people were hungry.

You don't deal in facts, only emotionalism and identity dogma.

 

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 13 Feb 18 9.48pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You don't deal in facts, only emotionalism and identity dogma.

Says Mr Sourceless.

Nothing you ever post has evidence or a source.

 


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Originally posted by pefwin

Like to know your research.

I was interested in changing social mores due to the effect of the nacent media in the late 1700s and 1800s, for example the Dudley & Stephens case in 1884.

Nothing to do with ancient cannibalism, criminal, ritual, etc, etc.

I'm not sure one can draw any parallel between eating human flesh in a struggle to survive a specific incident and the unnecessary ritualistic or tribal consumption of human meat. I'm sure there have been examples of one group eating humans for sustenance but that is also beside the point.
In reality, cannibalism was probably accecptable to many cultures until discouraged by another with a different set of values.

 

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