Thats all well and good by its the premier league, no time for everyone to get comfy with their feet under the table. No such patience is given to premier league managers, well apart from super Al so why should we expect results from the 'best recruitment environment we've had'. Seriously every team is mainly looking at the same players anyway for goodness sake. Just excuses.

Alan, you keep saying very little, bringing absolutely nothing to the discussions.

If we had the resources necessary to a manager we would probably be clear of relegation, not thinking 'oh fvck, we've come out of 2 or 3 winnable games with 2 points and now have 4 of the top 6 to play in a row that will leave us in the relegation zone.'

I'll remind you again. We chuck 3-4 games every season at least. This season it was 7. You work it out. So there's not only those but also games when there's no striker or left back or whatever.

Btw, it's not my world, it's the real world that happens on a football pitch. Reading that 'your world' is probably why the same thing gets repeated. We then get examples of Charlton, Parish risking his money, us not having the money in the first place and other reasons that do not exist. What does exist is what you need to not put yourselves in danger unnecessarily, because it is every year, unnecessary.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (14 Feb 2018 10.31am)

Oh I got it. But it's not the same, is it?

Charlton we're doing quite well. We are not.

They were looking to go to the next level they don't belong in. We just want to have enough players in crucial positions, not leave transfers too late, not take liberties with the manager, not chuck a portion of the season away, things like that.

Oh and as you mention going to the next level, what was the Pardew expansive football project or the Frank De Bulksh1t the interview all about then? I suppose that's excused?

It's not the next level we should be at. It's an acceptable level of resources to a manager, heeding his warnings, and another established and respected (is he) leaving.

Simple enough for you?

I do not disagree on the qualities of Roy.

The keeper situation just shows how Parish must view the manager once he's got him in. When he hires him it's full of promises but when he's in the necessities aren't delivered. We'll need Guaita and the Ronnow fella next season. Therefore aim for both and if it's only one in then fine. But no, can't do that and satisfy the man we have when he's in charge and him to stay.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (14 Feb 2018 12.08pm)

I do not disagree on the qualities of Roy.

The keeper situation just shows how Parish must view the manager once he's got him in. When he hires him it's full of promises but when he's in the necessities aren't delivered. We'll need Guaita and the Ronnow fella next season. Therefore aim for both and if it's only one in then fine. But no, can't do that and satisfy the man we have when he's in charge and him to stay.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (14 Feb 2018 12.08pm)

Yes. Thank you. My simple argument is that we could do a lot worse than this and those that think we're bigger than we are risk making the same mistake as Charlton.

I like simple arguments me as I find the complicated ones are full of sh!t. And that brings me back to your various points on Charlton.

Of course Charlton had several years of being mid-table on a consistent basis. Not many clubs have achieved this - as its the nether region of the premier league. You cant compete with the expanding number of big boys with billionaire owners using the club to buy publicity or respectability.

Seems like your argument hinges on Charlton wanting to be part of a group they didn't belong to. Then I'd say the OP and others are making the same mistake as their fans did back then.

I'd argue surviving is as much as we can expect while we consolidate in the top league.

No? Then what is our level? Southampton? Ah they are struggling too. Who else? West Brom? Ooops. Next? Burnley? Oh how many games have they won since their key defender got injured?

This season injuries are killing us and the club is borrowing money to buy players so Parish has to find bargains. That is our level.

As for the rest of your response. Of course it is "excusable" that Parish - with Pardew and FdB wanted to take us to another footballing level. Just dont do it while leaving us short of a left-back (Pardew admitted it was his mistake) or with only a few short weeks of training. In retrospect he should have gone for Roy then. But lets face it - we all wanted a young dynamic progressive man. I doubt Dyche would have come - his next club will be bigger.

Which brings us to another key point. The role of the manager in all this. The likes of Curbishly don't come around very often. Sorry but Pulis and Allardyce are not in that mode. Coppell was our last equivalent and a previous chairman threw away that legacy.

We seem to disagree on the qualities of the current one. Good day