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View johnmcormick8's Profile johnmcormick8 Flag Brundish 12 Feb 18 6.44pm Send a Private Message to johnmcormick8 Add johnmcormick8 as a friend

aye

Originally posted by Sheks Crows Eye

We've lost to arsenal twice and everton over the past 4 months.

Everyone needs to ctfd

 

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View Kloten's Profile Kloten Flag Bromley 12 Feb 18 6.59pm Send a Private Message to Kloten Add Kloten as a friend

Originally posted by lil j-eagle

I think the issues we've had progressing from perennial relegation strugglers have stemmed from arguably getting promoted too early.

If you look at when we got promoted, it was largely down to an overachieving run in the autumn, and I would say the only really prem standard players were Zaha, Bolasie, Jedinak, Speroni and Murray (honorable mention to Delaney who worked hard enough to not look out of place in the prem - but equally didn't exactly shine in the champ). When you consider that Zaha and Murray weren't available for the first 6/12 months we have had to buy, not only almost a new first XI, but also replace those that were prem standard and left.

I have seen recently that Palace have assembled something like the 15th most expensive squad in Europe, and with Bolasie and Zaha the only major player sales in that time, that has largely been funded by the owners and our first 2 overachieving seasons. I think there needs to be great caution in attempting to run before you can walk when it comes to running a football club because we can oh so easily end up in a right mess.

I'd also point out that progressing from relegation strugglers to midtable mainstays sustain-ably for any club outside the top 7 (and previously clubs like villa) is extremely difficult. Even clubs such as Southampton and Swansea whose management have previously been highly praised - got promoted more gradually, had a certain identity, had real top quality players - have still ended up down near the bottom after a couple of years of "mid-table mediocrity".

The way I see it is everyone outside the top 7 has a premier league lifespan of maximum 8-10 years and the length of this lifespan seems to be determined by how many good/bad decisions you make in a row which, incidentally, there doesn't seem to be much reason or pattern behind why they are good/bad. Parish seems to make a habit of alternating from good to bad and I don't think there are many others out there who could drastically improve on that (except of course for the hordes of captain hindsights who would have made every single correct decision ever).


This is the best answer on here. We had only been out of administration for 3-4 years before we were promoted with as you say maybe only 6 genuine prem quality players in our squad. We now have a squad of much better players (if not a bit thin) and are generally forced to pay ridiculous prem prices for players such as Benteke.

You just have to look at teams such as Villa, Sunderland, Fulham, Middlesbrough and Bolton to see that Parish isn't doing that badly really. One thing I would say is that Watford are putting together a nice squad for a smallish budget.

 

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.TUX. Flag 12 Feb 18 6.59pm

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

Another chairman will face the exact same problems that Parish does. And there’s no guarantee that they’d be be able to overcome the same obstacles any better than he currently does. This is what people don’t seem to get.

100% this.



 


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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 12 Feb 18 7.10pm

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

The Americans may well have had a big hand in our a change of emphasis in our transfer policy.

You can blame Parish for that -- he accepted their dollar -- but it does mean some caution may be wise when calling for Parish to go.

This is it for me, we have not progressed further since accepting the Yankie dollar.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 12 Feb 18 7.18pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by palace99

on balance i'm more positive towards SP than negative and will always be grateful for CPFC2010 buying the club (when no one else wanted to) but an additional negative has to be our wage bill.

For a club of our size it has gone through the roof in the last few years.

We now have at least 3 players on more than £100k a week - Benteke, Sakho and Wilf yet even Leicester have a max of £100k a week (Vardy and Mahrez) and teams like Burnley probably don't have anyone on more than say £50k.

We now have an imbalance in the squad with people on big wages just not pulling their weight - Cabaye, Tekkers and Townsend spring immediately to mind.

I blame him for this and less for transfers, as the transfer policy has to be mainly the manager's responsibility

It isn't the manager who negotiates and deals.

Roy will give the name of the players he wants to Parish, sometimes Freedman giving Roy the names first.

The 'transfer policy' is not the manager's responsibility. He will meet with the chairman to discuss what the chairman agrees or provides that allows the transfer policy to be.

 


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.TUX. Flag 12 Feb 18 7.21pm

Originally posted by pefwin

This is it for me, we have not progressed further since accepting the Yankie dollar.

We're in our fifth consecutive season in the top-flight.
We've never been here before in well over 100yrs of trying.

 


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View Thereandbackagain's Profile Thereandbackagain Flag Crawley 12 Feb 18 7.46pm Send a Private Message to Thereandbackagain Add Thereandbackagain as a friend

Ouch ....but slightly true


Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

With the greatest respect mate - i'd be more worried about living in Crawley than how many bedrooms you have

 

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View Vaibow's Profile Vaibow Flag vancouver/croydon 12 Feb 18 8.17pm Send a Private Message to Vaibow Add Vaibow as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

parish :

the Good
- got us to the prem and kept us there for a record duration
- was a hero when we were looking at financial oblivion.
- the stadium plans , where many others failed. SP will deliver.
- the significant improvements to New Beckenham training facilities
- local boy, a proper Eagle.


the bad


- sticking with pardew after the bloke had become toxic
- our inability to hold onto good managers.
- appointing some poor managers
- may have approved the signing of many broken old men from top-teams of yesteryear.
- doesn't have a wallet as big as the boss of ManCity/Chelscum/etc etc

i would remain loyal to Parish. Look at the Newcastle chairman ( or some of da no-a-speak-a-da eeenglish chairmen but got tons of dodgy money and running away from amnesty international ) and be careful what you wish for.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (12 Feb 2018 4.09pm)

Whilst you have pretty much nailed it, the bold for me i feel isn't true.

Sure, he bought us when no one seemingly could, but... it appears that he knew he was first in line realistically and waited until the the doomsday clock to move to the 11th hour before buying - fantastic business deal by a businessman, but not that of a fan.

Running a sports business is way different to any other business - thing is, the bad that you have mentioned, it's pretty damning and not something we want to move forward with surely?

Aslo, as a side note as others have said, we went up too early, but we did right in getting in Pulis.

Now, that whole saga stinks, but, let's say the chairman put trust in Pulis, let him build his team his way, would he have walked? Probably not... he would have been happy and we could have slowly constructed a worthy squad.

So, let's say Parish put the boot down on Pulis, which made Pulis upship and leave - the money we have spent since in new managers, paying them off, getting their players, with their wages etc, it could be argued that giving pulls that money he wanted could have been a cheaper out come and that mid table stability.

Edited by Vaibow (12 Feb 2018 8.22pm)

 


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 12 Feb 18 8.18pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by pefwin

This is it for me, we have not progressed further since accepting the Yankie dollar.

wow Maz, are you expressing views on Palace and football on here ? well done.

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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 12 Feb 18 8.25pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Another predictable thread questioning Parish after a defeat.

Since the Premier started up, we have had 4 Chairman.

Noades, who knew his way round football, but ultimately stitched the club up, buy selling the team and not the ground. This stifled any possibility of progression, unless he got his cut.

Goldberg, well meaning, more cash than football knowledge, he lost all his money to football sharks and led us into administration.

Jordan, ego driven, no experience in football and thought he could change the system. Lied over owning the ground, coined the phrase " couldn't get the deal over the line". Couldn't progress the club and ultimately led to near extinction at the High Court and he employed Trevor Francis and Peter Taylor and ruined my Saturday afternoons watching the garbage they got the team playing.

Parish, got us to the Premier after 3 seasons and remained there since. Has been honest in his dealings, bought the ground so therefore got us a proper club, not tenants.

You can take your choice of who you think has done the better job of being Chairman, they all made mistakes, but some more devastating than others.

Edited by Painter (12 Feb 2018 8.45pm)

 

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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 12 Feb 18 8.36pm

Originally posted by Painter

Another predictable thread questioning Parish after a defeat.

Since the Premier started up, we have had 4 Chairman.

Noades, who knew his way round football, but ultimately stitched the club up, buying selling the team and not the ground. This stifled any possibility of progression, unless he got his cut.

Goldberg, well meaning, more cash than football knowledge, he lost all his money yo football sharks and led us into administration.

Jordan, ego driven, no experience in football and thought he could change the system. Lied over owning the ground, coined the phrase " couldn't get the deal over the line". Couldn't progress the club and ultimately led to near extinction at the High Court and he employed Trevor Francis and Peter Taylor and ruined my Saturday afternoons watching the garbage they got the team playing.

Parish, got us to the Premier after 3 seasons and remained there since. Has been honest in his dealings, bought the ground so therefore got us a proper club, not tenants.

You can take your choice of who you think has done the better job of being Chairman, they all made mistakes, but some more devastating than others.

Very well laid out Painter. Unfortunately some only see what they want to see.

 


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 12 Feb 18 8.50pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

as far as 'complaining we are always in a relegation dogfight' goes.

the bottom 14 teams get this in the Prem every year.

so boo hoo if you do not like it. twas ever thus and always will

 


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