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View Ulysses's Profile Ulysses 17 Feb 18 9.04pm Send a Private Message to Ulysses Add Ulysses as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Don't play this game.
It is clearly an attack on the newspaper for publishing a particular opinion.

Do tell me how it is inappropriate to post an ad' next to a story. It happens all the time. How does a totally separate unrelated story reflect on an advertisement?
If they don't like the Daily Mail it didn't stop them advertising in it in the first place did it.


I have already outlined why I think Center Parcs thought it was inappropriate placement. In their business, corporate eyes, it absolutely is related. It's a straightforward business decision to keep as much money rolling in as possible.

No game. I just don't see how opinions are being stifled here. Man exercises his right to free speech and expresses his opinion in a national newspaper. Multi-million pound company exercise their right to respond to their customers' concerns (because it could potentially affect their business) and withdraw advertising. Man continues to express his opinion in a national newspaper. Free speech alive and well.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 17 Feb 18 9.27pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Ulysses


I have already outlined why I think Center Parcs thought it was inappropriate placement. In their business, corporate eyes, it absolutely is related. It's a straightforward business decision to keep as much money rolling in as possible.

No game. I just don't see how opinions are being stifled here. Man exercises his right to free speech and expresses his opinion in a national newspaper. Multi-million pound company exercise their right to respond to their customers' concerns (because it could potentially affect their business) and withdraw advertising. Man continues to express his opinion in a national newspaper. Free speech alive and well.

What customers? Did they receive complaints? And you just pander to unknown people? How many people? Is there a magic number?
The idea that an advertisment has any relationship with a story that just happens to be placed next to it is bonkers.
I know exactly why the company did this. Fear of bad publicity spread by a tiny minority of 'anti hate' loons. I bet Centre Parcs have offended a lot more people by doing this.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 18 Feb 18 12.18am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Ulysses


Except nowhere does it say that the opinion is "unacceptable", just the "inappropriate" placement of the original advert. They're a family-based holiday park, relying on all families (gay-straight-trans-black-white, etc.) to pay a (quite frankly ridiculous) amount to go there. They're a business and they're exercising their freedom of speech to make a corporate decision. Doesn't sound "nuts" to me at all. As far as I can see, no one has succeeded in censoring or banning Littlejohn - he's absolutely free to say whatever he likes.

You are not commenting on the activists who seek to damage the reputation of these companies through their lefty mates in the media highlighting their complaints.

So you think that companies make these decisions out of some sense of agreeing with lefty morality.

The same companies who use capitalism and the courts to fight their competition with no regard to morality at all.

 


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View Dave58's Profile Dave58 Flag Ipswich 18 Feb 18 8.41am Send a Private Message to Dave58 Add Dave58 as a friend

I don’t agree with same sex couples having children, but I respect their right to do so.
As for center parcs, they are just the latest in companies dropping anything that might be considered being anti gay anti woman or anti anything. Children’s hospitals gave back money from that ball that really could have been used to help I’ll children.
In this modern day world of social media, there are professionals that trawl every tweet of anyone who might be a candidate for a headline that fits the current climate.
It is then your personal choice if you want to donate money to certain charities, use certain companies or buy certain newspapers.
I won’t donate to oxfam or great ormond, I won’t book a holiday at center parcs, and I will continue to buy the sun and daily mail.
It won’t hurt them in any way, but it’s my choice.

 

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View gmostone's Profile gmostone Flag 18 Feb 18 11.20am Send a Private Message to gmostone Add gmostone as a friend

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

That's one more Brighton fan in the world

Get a life you sad c*nt.

 

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View Ulysses's Profile Ulysses 18 Feb 18 3.22pm Send a Private Message to Ulysses Add Ulysses as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You are not commenting on the activists who seek to damage the reputation of these companies through their lefty mates in the media highlighting their complaints.

So you think that companies make these decisions out of some sense of agreeing with lefty morality.

The same companies who use capitalism and the courts to fight their competition with no regard to morality at all.


Of course I don't! It clearly isn't a moral decision. They couldn't give a sh!t about that - look at how much more they charge during half terms and holidays for a start. Again, it is a corporate decision - and probably a good one considering how much more advertisement they've actually received from withdrawing advertisement. They're not stupid - they know exactly what they're doing.

Off topic perhaps, but as for the activists, isn't that exactly what an activist - regardless of political stance - tries to do, though, and initiate some sort of change? There must be plenty of companies who successfully ignore their antics and keep profits ticking over very well.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 Feb 18 3.46pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Ulysses


Of course I don't! It clearly isn't a moral decision. They couldn't give a sh!t about that - look at how much more they charge during half terms and holidays for a start. Again, it is a corporate decision - and probably a good one considering how much more advertisement they've actually received from withdrawing advertisement. They're not stupid - they know exactly what they're doing.

Off topic perhaps, but as for the activists, isn't that exactly what an activist - regardless of political stance - tries to do, though, and initiate some sort of change? There must be plenty of companies who successfully ignore their antics and keep profits ticking over very well.


It seems to me that you are defending the logic of their decision while ignoring the wider implications to society. We all know why corporations try to appear right on, but we need to think about what that profit driven remodelling of our society will look like.
A tiny minority of fruitcakes are having far to big an influence just by being noisy and threatening commerce.
This is the mentality of the zealous activist as this web site has experienced recently. Love everyone until they slight me, then threaten their livelihood. Total scum.

 

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View Ulysses's Profile Ulysses 18 Feb 18 4.07pm Send a Private Message to Ulysses Add Ulysses as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


It seems to me that you are defending the logic of their decision while ignoring the wider implications to society. We all know why corporations try to appear right on, but we need to think about what that profit driven remodelling of our society will look like.
A tiny minority of fruitcakes are having far to big an influence just by being noisy and threatening commerce.
This is the mentality of the zealous activist as this web site has experienced recently. Love everyone until they slight me, then threaten their livelihood. Total scum.


I wouldn't necessarily say I'm ignoring the wider implications on society: I hopefully alluded to that when I commented on whether free speech was compromised here (which I still maintain hasn't been). The activists will probably think they've won, and I do absolutely agree with your comments about vocal minorities.

Ultimately, when you whittle things down, everything usually comes down to money!

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 18 Feb 18 4.50pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Ulysses


Of course I don't! It clearly isn't a moral decision. They couldn't give a sh!t about that - look at how much more they charge during half terms and holidays for a start. Again, it is a corporate decision - and probably a good one considering how much more advertisement they've actually received from withdrawing advertisement. They're not stupid - they know exactly what they're doing.

Off topic perhaps, but as for the activists, isn't that exactly what an activist - regardless of political stance - tries to do, though, and initiate some sort of change? There must be plenty of companies who successfully ignore their antics and keep profits ticking over very well.

I wouldn't disagree with most of that commentary.

However, I most strongly object to these companies caving to activists because of what amounts to media bullying.

There is a section of both the far or activist left and right who are prepared to sack people and disown people and publicly dox people and while.....the lefty ones hold sway culturally at the moment I consider this kind of activist power as negative for society and something that needs to be reigned in.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 18 Feb 18 4.52pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Ulysses

Ultimately, when you whittle things down, everything usually comes down to money!

Could you float me a fiver?

 


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View johnfirewall's Profile johnfirewall Flag 19 Feb 18 10.29am Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

Enough kids in the world already so we should look at a fair and efficient adoption system.

That's my only issue. My real problem is with people who would reject my criticism, and those who if down the line are faced with a soaring percentage of population being in therapy, would blame those who don't subscribe to their ideals.

Edited by johnfirewall (19 Feb 2018 10.37am)

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 19 Feb 18 11.19am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by johnfirewall

Enough kids in the world already so we should look at a fair and efficient adoption system.

That's my only issue. My real problem is with people who would reject my criticism, and those who if down the line are faced with a soaring percentage of population being in therapy, would blame those who don't subscribe to their ideals.

Edited by johnfirewall (19 Feb 2018 10.37am)

People don't think beyond their own selfish needs and then play the victim when they are called out about it.

 

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