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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 14 Feb 18 5.28pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Aren't "beta males" practically female in your book anyway?

Good luck to 'em I say; as long as the child is loved and has a stable and happy home that's the most important thing.

Imitation isn't the real thing.

I would agree with the sentiment of your second paragraph but personally I think societies arranged upon touchy feely thoughts are incoherent and non cohesive ones.

Personally, I don't regard upbringings that allow the possibility of no significant influence of the opposite sex as positive.

Touchy feely people are seemingly always happy to ignore potential irregularities in their search for everything to resemble an 'Imagine' verse.

I would only allow same sex adoption in situations where a court was satisfied that the child would have significant opposite sex contact.

Children brought up without fathers fill prisons.....You need both sexes' influence as an ideal situation.


Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Feb 2018 5.36pm)

 


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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 14 Feb 18 6.10pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Imitation isn't the real thing.

I would agree with the sentiment of your second paragraph but personally I think societies arranged upon touchy feely thoughts are incoherent and non cohesive ones.

Personally, I don't regard upbringings that allow the possibility of no significant influence of the opposite sex as positive.

Touchy feely people are seemingly always happy to ignore potential irregularities in their search for everything to resemble an 'Imagine' verse.

I would only allow same sex adoption in situations where a court was satisfied that the child would have significant opposite sex contact.

Children brought up without fathers fill prisons.....You need both sexes' influence as an ideal situation.


Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Feb 2018 5.36pm)

Being raised by one parent (ie without a father) is not the same thing, so I think that's a difficult conclusion to draw.

Children are born into all sorts of f***ed up families, so I think it's very difficult for society to claim a particularly strict moral code when it comes to this sort of thing - it's easy to dismiss it as 'touchy feely' but there are countless kids born every day who will be considerably worst off than those raised by homosexual couples, you have to question why society would object to one, and not the rest.

Out of interest, is there any evidence to support your claim, in terms of kids raised by same sex couples? I can't pretend I've seen a lot of studies on it.

 

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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 14 Feb 18 6.15pm

That's one more Brighton fan in the world

 


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jeeagles Flag 14 Feb 18 6.30pm

I'm pretty surprised by the 20 year age gap. Apparently they announced they were dating 5 years ago so they would have been 18 and 38. It's reminiscent of Chris Evans and Billie Piper. It all sounds a bit creepy and it seems like there's a few father figure issues.

What ever the sexuallity, I'm sure a 23 year old and 43 year old couple trying to adopt would raise a few eyebrows. I'm not sure on what the rules are but at 23 I was far too irresponsible to be able to raise a kid, and when I hit 43 I doubt I'd be able to have the energy.

Looks as though they could have avoided it by throwing money at a surrogate. I'm not sure I'd like it if I was a kid knowing my mum only had me because my dads paid for her either.

I think there are some justifiable concerns here, but they'll get drowned out as any opposition would be called homophobic.

Ultimately, I hope it works out and it's none of my business.

 

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View baldeagle73's Profile baldeagle73 Flag Leamington spa 14 Feb 18 6.42pm Send a Private Message to baldeagle73 Add baldeagle73 as a friend

It’s another example of the erosion of family values to placate a growing vocal minority next step trans adoption

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 14 Feb 18 6.56pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Being raised by one parent (ie without a father) is not the same thing, so I think that's a difficult conclusion to draw.

I think that's wrong. Two males does not equal one female.

Hence, this...in my view.... is a form of single parent family.

A single parent family is not an ideal situation to allow for adoption....what is frankly a practical part adoption here.

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Children are born into all sorts of f***ed up families, so I think it's very difficult for society to claim a particularly strict moral code when it comes to this sort of thing - it's easy to dismiss it as 'touchy feely' but there are countless kids born every day who will be considerably worst off than those raised by homosexual couples, you have to question why society would object to one, and not the rest.

I agree with you about the disfunctionality of significant amounts of society.

However, this is socially supporting the creation of families outside of previously accepted norms that are present pretty much everywhere else outside of selected western nations.

This is endorsing the idea of a hamstrung situation at the start and calling it equal.

I don't include those situations where the opposite sex are a significant influence within the upbringing.


Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Out of interest, is there any evidence to support your claim, in terms of kids raised by same sex couples? I can't pretend I've seen a lot of studies on it.

That's apart of the problem.....this is a relatively new policy and there won't be lot of data.

This is touchy feely social constructionist policy based upon 'feels'.

I certainly know that single parent families are responsible for many damaged individuals and a large crime rate is associated with the lack of a father....plenty of studies on that.

You can't blame people who go into relationships in good faith and then the father does a runner.....I don't blame those women....I blame any parent to doesn't take responsibility for their children....and that's usually (not always) missing fathers.

Sometimes those fathers are unfairly denied access for malign intent for spite....and sometimes it's for good reason.

 


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Oh, some lovely outrage on here. But we have had exactly the same discussion before, not long ago.

I am sure the child will be introduced to multiple females in a purposeful way to maintain a sensible balance. Probably some good grand-parental input as well as other family and friends. I have female same-sex colleagues with a daughter and they are incredibly clued up on raising a child. Far more so than most people in Croydon I am sure.

Ideally I do agree a male and female parent probably works best, but good ones are hard to find whereas I would wager good same-sex parents are relatively easier to find for the reasons mentioned above.

Maybe the age gap is a bit concerning.

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 14 Feb 18 7.05pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by baldeagle73

It’s another example of the erosion of family values to placate a growing vocal minority next step trans adoption

Bollocks. Family values are not exclusive to a male female relationship, or the ‘model’ societal interpretation of what a family should be.

A single parent family can still abide by ‘family values’, much like a same sex parental family can.

To build on what someone else has already said, I’d rather the child went to a loving family/parents than stayed unloved, rejected in a broken system, even if there are potential theoretical nature/nurture negatives.

It’s better for society, as the alternative statistically will cause the child and society more damage.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (14 Feb 2018 7.06pm)

 


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Originally posted by coulsdoneagle

Can’t have an unplanned kid if you are openly gay and in a same secx committed relationship, every child that they have is harder to get, i’m all for it. Can’t say the same about a lot of non same sex couples that end up having a kid they didn’t really plan and hadnt prepared to have.

From what I gather Tom has not been faithful to his husband who is 20 years older than him. Can’t help but think this smacks of “we’ve got an issue with our relationship let’s fix it with a baby” which spells catastrophe whatever the parents sexuality.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 14 Feb 18 7.07pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Oh, some lovely outrage on here. But we have had exactly the same discussion before, not long ago.

I am sure the child will be introduced to multiple females in a purposeful way to maintain a sensible balance. Probably some good grand-parental input as well as other family and friends. I have female same-sex colleagues with a daughter and they are incredibly clued up on raising a child. Far more so than most people in Croydon I am sure.

Ideally I do agree a male and female parent probably works best, but good ones are hard to find whereas I would wager good same-sex parents are relatively easier to find for the reasons mentioned above.

Maybe the age gap is a bit concerning.

What's wrong with a bit of outrage?

You are of course right with your overall summary....in the majority of good families.

But probably not all.....so isn't the state implicated in those situations?

Anyway....nothing wrong with a bit of venty venty.....I never got to vote on this....frigging PC politicians normalising lots of stuff I'm iffy about..on their obsessional minorities ticket.....Surely you get annoyed about something other than moaning about Brexit!

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Feb 2018 7.08pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

That's apart of the problem.....this is a relatively new policy and there won't be lot of data.

This is touchy feely social constructionist policy based upon 'feels'.

I certainly know that single parent families are responsible for many damaged individuals and a large crime rate is associated with the lack of a father....plenty of studies on that.

You can't blame people who go into relationships in good faith and then the father does a runner.....I don't blame those women....I blame any parent to doesn't take responsibility for their children....and that's usually (not always) missing fathers.

Sometimes those fathers are unfairly denied access for malign intent for spite....and sometimes it's for good reason.

I agree with most of what you've said, excluding the opening part - I think calling it a single parent family is a stretch - the kid still has two parental figures, two seperate relationships and two seperate personalities in terms of discipline, teaching etc.

I liked your point about creating families outside of previously accepted norms - having said that, it's something society is going to have to get significantly better at, because the variations in families is only going to increase.

To again touch on the single parent point you closed with; there are many other factors as to why kids from single parent families are disproportionately involved in crime etc., primarily that the majority of single parent families are low income, poorly educated, and probably the least 'fit' parental figures to begin with. The sorts of people you or I would consider to make 'good parents' are generally the same sorts of people who could maintain a successful career and healthy relationship, so it's not surprising their children perform better, irrespective of marital status.

Interestingly, I came from a single parent family, but a reasonably middle class one, and I never experienced any of the behavioural issues usually associated with that - not to say I'm anything special, but simply to make the point that a good family is a good family, irrespective of whether it's one mum, two dads, or whatever other combinations will follow.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 14 Feb 18 7.11pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

What's wrong with a bit of outrage?

You are of course right with your overall summary....in the majority of good families.

But probably not all.....so isn't the state implicated in those situations?

Anyway....nothing wrong with a bit of venty venty.....I never got to vote on this....frigging PC politicians normalising lots of stuff I'm iffy about..on their obsessional minorities ticket.....Surely you get annoyed about something other than moaning about Brexit!

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Feb 2018 7.08pm)

What outrage? I haven't seen any.

 

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