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View mrfantasy's Profile mrfantasy Flag maidstone 25 Feb 18 4.11pm Send a Private Message to mrfantasy Add mrfantasy as a friend

I'm finding it very difficult to watch our games this season. I couldn't make it to Selhurst today and watched it on the box but switched off 10 minutes into the second half as it was too painful to watch with the outcome almost inevitable.

It's all very well watching backs to the wall football when we were a lower division team playing the big boys in the cup which was magnificent to watch but being unable to compete at this level in our 5th season back is not entertainment which is surely part of the reason for watching. Even with our best 11 the outcome would have been similar.

Even against the so called lesser teams it is painful to watch at the moment and it looks like we are sliding towards relegation. The way I feel at the moment though there is more chance of me renewing my season ticket if we get relegated than if we somehow manage to stay up. I've been supporting Palace for over 50 years and I've never felt this way before even when we were truly poor. Would it be that bad if we went down? Would there be a risk of administration again? Do I need to see a doctor.

 

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View Rachid Rachid Rachid's Profile Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 25 Feb 18 4.13pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Couldn't be further from the mark although I agree about some of the tippy tappy football in our own half when we were under pressure and think we should have been direct and just tried to turn them around more towards the end.

Roy and Ray look masters at organising a team and getting the most from what's there although I didn't like the Lee substitution at all. Townsend was already played into the game and can carry the ball. Lee looked like a child playing against men. Delaney's sub looked forcedby Tomkins cramp or injury ?


 

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View baldyegg's Profile baldyegg Flag 25 Feb 18 4.14pm Send a Private Message to baldyegg Add baldyegg as a friend

Originally posted by Thereandbackagain

Again your not allowed an opinion that differs ....if you they don’t agree with me fine but come on look at the table and look at how we play , if you think scrappy defending for 90 minutes is going to keep us up get your head out the sand

Agree,wholeheartedly,and watching a team defend for 90 mins is sooooo boring ,that is woy's tactics be all and end all of trying to escape relegation.

 

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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 25 Feb 18 4.17pm

Originally posted by chateauferret

We already knew that. Just makes it all the more baffling that Cabaye should be allowed to continue to squander these opportunities. He would do more good hovering somewhere around the D to pick up the second ball and clip it into the forwards or take a shot.

His first corner caused their defence some serious pericombobulations.

Thank you Edmund.

 


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View Pete53's Profile Pete53 Flag Hassocks 25 Feb 18 4.24pm Send a Private Message to Pete53 Add Pete53 as a friend

Originally posted by steven_t92

The aim of Football is not to keep possession, it is to score a goal. You can score a goal from one pass and a shot. Your perception of the aim of Football is out of tune.

.... but keeping possession helps. We were absolutely hapless at keeping the ball today. This meant that our defence was under constant pressure and attempts to get into attacking positions regularly floundered. I don't think there is any doubt that we are the worst side in the division for accurate passing.

 

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View Thereandbackagain's Profile Thereandbackagain Flag Crawley 25 Feb 18 4.34pm Send a Private Message to Thereandbackagain Add Thereandbackagain as a friend

Spot on .....

Originally posted by Pete53

.... but keeping possession helps. We were absolutely hapless at keeping the ball today. This meant that our defence was under constant pressure and attempts to get into attacking positions regularly floundered. I don't think there is any doubt that we are the worst side in the division for accurate passing.

 

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View Rachid Rachid Rachid's Profile Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 25 Feb 18 4.48pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

If we'd tried to play possession football today the game would have been over after twenty minutes. Thanks for your input Frank.

 

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View Pete53's Profile Pete53 Flag Hassocks 25 Feb 18 5.10pm Send a Private Message to Pete53 Add Pete53 as a friend

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

If we'd tried to play possession football today the game would have been over after twenty minutes. Thanks for your input Frank.

Well I wouldn't have expected us to boss Spurs on the possession front, but surely the aim is to try to pass the ball to your own player, and at least make the opposition work to win the ball.

Yes there are times when a hoof up the field is the best option, and there were a few occasions today when that strategy should have been applied rather than the suicidal dilly dallying that took place around our own penalty area.

The reality is that it was something of a miracle that we didn't concede earlier with Kane missing two sitters, but in the end the inevitable happened.If you constantly concede possession you invariably pay the price, particularly against quality sides.

 

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View Mstrobez's Profile Mstrobez Flag 25 Feb 18 5.19pm Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

Originally posted by steven_t92

The aim of Football is not to keep possession, it is to score a goal. You can score a goal from one pass and a shot. Your perception of the aim of Football is out of tune.

Over the long term, teams who are successful statistically always dominate possession and even more so in 2018. No one is expecting us to dominate against Spurs but when we get the ball we need to show a whole lot more composure than we did today and against Everton. Possession football in england is mistaken as some sort of brainless, all out attack tactic but that couldn’t be further from the truth and motivation behind it. It’s about having more control over your own destiny in games, in attack AND defence, by having the ability to dictate the tempo more.

There are times where we won’t dominate the ball. Only a fool would believe otherwise. But we’ve struggled in possession for the entire current reign in the Premier League & going on today and Everton, our quality when in possession was nowhere near the quality required to maintain status in this league. If we do this year, it’ll be the same story again next season until we realise this and it will NOT last forever.

We might not be able to compete with Spurs, but they’re a team that will always be strongest with the ball at feet so we should at least be trying to limit the amount of possession they have, by keeping some ourselves. Our retention of the ball is so poor.

“Keeping it compact” and leaving a good percentage of your results to chance always has and always will have a sell by date. We’ve exceeded that by a couple of years now and I hope to God this isn’t the year we run out of lifelines, because refusing to embrace any form of improvement in possession will also likely mean it’ll be very difficult for us to just bulldoze our way through the championship and come straight back up. More and more teams lower down are improving the footballing side of their club in order to build for the future.

We’re too stubborn, never learn our lessons & our footballing vision is short termism at its finest. An unsustainable bubble has to pop at some point, but from the bottom up, we consistently
refuse to acknowledge this.

Of course there were many factors contributing to today beyond the above. But if that is the best our current available XI has to offer with the ball, I seriously worry for us.

Edited by Mstrobez (25 Feb 2018 5.22pm)

 


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View Rachid Rachid Rachid's Profile Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 25 Feb 18 5.26pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Originally posted by Pete53

Well I wouldn't have expected us to boss Spurs on the possession front, but surely the aim is to try to pass the ball to your own player, and at least make the opposition work to win the ball.

Yes there are times when a hoof up the field is the best option, and there were a few occasions today when that strategy should have been applied rather than the suicidal dilly dallying that took place around our own penalty area.

The reality is that it was something of a miracle that we didn't concede earlier with Kane missing two sitters, but in the end the inevitable happened.If you constantly concede possession you invariably pay the price, particularly against quality sides.

Eriksson, Lamela, Alli, Dembele etc were crowded out of the game by our depleted side. What else did you hope for or expect ?

 

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View Bangell's Profile Bangell Flag Oxford 25 Feb 18 5.31pm Send a Private Message to Bangell Add Bangell as a friend

I think we did what we had to today. No chance of any attacking fluency with the state of our team, and our patched-together defence couldn't be left exposed. We did ride our luck all game, but just a few minutes more and our sitting deep would have paid off.

Edited by Bangell (25 Feb 2018 5.31pm)

 

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