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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 02 Mar 18 1.18pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Thanks for the link GPW. Gives us a bit more insight into how the shareholders operate.
So the 4 members of CPFC2010 sold a load of shares and trousered the profit.
Steve Parish stayed on as Chairman and now seemingly lacks overall control.

It's difficult to see exactly what went on as some of the share dealings wouldn't appear in the accounts.

I think that there was a bit more to it than "the 4 members of CPFC2010 selling a load of shares and trousering the profit" as the other way of buying into a company is for it to increase it's share capital and for the new shareholders to subscribe for the new shares with that money going into the company.

If you look at the filing history of CPFC2010 Ltd you will see that in December 2015 there were a further £10m of shares issued.

The matter is further complicated by the web of interconnected companies that have been formed in the last couple of years as CPFC 2010 Ltd is now owned by Palace Midco Ltd which in turn is owned by Palace Holdco UK Ltd

 

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View alaneagle1's Profile alaneagle1 Flag Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 02 Mar 18 1.30pm Send a Private Message to alaneagle1 Add alaneagle1 as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Here is the latest accounts I can find, year ending 2016. On the first page you will see who the 3 Directors are. Harris, Blitzer and Parish.
Gone are Browett, Hosking and Long

Yes 3 equal share holders with Parish in charge day to day.

 


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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 02 Mar 18 1.37pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by alaneagle1

Yes 3 equal share holders with Parish in charge day to day.

As Midlands Eagle implied, it is very difficult to conclude anything from this overview of accounts.

I do not see the Directors as being cited as equal shareholders.
Nor do I see SP listed as Managing Director

And there-in lies the problem of being drip-fed information.
Then again, without speculation, the HOL would be full of tumbleweed

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 02 Mar 18 1.40pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Nor do I see SP listed as Managing Director

Companies House only lists directors and not their functions eg Managing Director or Finance Director which are just courtesy titles from a legal point of view

 

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View alaneagle1's Profile alaneagle1 Flag Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 02 Mar 18 1.47pm Send a Private Message to alaneagle1 Add alaneagle1 as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

As Midlands Eagle implied, it is very difficult to conclude anything from this overview of accounts.

I do not see the Directors as being cited as equal shareholders.
Nor do I see SP listed as Managing Director

And there-in lies the problem of being drip-fed information.
Then again, without speculation, the HOL would be full of tumbleweed

Your discussing stuff from 2016.
Hardly drip fed.
I think we just need 3 points.!!!!

 


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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 02 Mar 18 2.43pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Companies House only lists directors and not their functions eg Managing Director or Finance Director which are just courtesy titles from a legal point of view

^^ exactly ^^

And also as Alan knows, accounts are only published on a known timescale.
If anyone can garner more relevant and up-to-date info, then please post

 


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View Palace in the Blood's Profile Palace in the Blood Flag 02 Mar 18 3.26pm Send a Private Message to Palace in the Blood Add Palace in the Blood as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

^^ exactly ^^

And also as Alan knows, accounts are only published on a known timescale.
If anyone can garner more relevant and up-to-date info, then please post

Directors are employees (officers) of a company and do not have to be shareholders. According to last document I can find all shares in cpfc 2010 ltd were held by Palace midco uk ltd. Shares in this company are owned by Palace Holdco Ltd. In December 2016 Parish Browett Long and Hosking had shares along with other Holding companies.All Documents are on Companies House website look at Filings Confirmation Statement

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 02 Mar 18 3.35pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Palace in the Blood

Directors are employees (officers) of a company and do not have to be shareholders. According to last document I can find all shares in cpfc 2010 ltd were held by Palace midco uk ltd. Shares in this company are owned by Palace Holdco Ltd. In December 2016 Parish Browett Long and Hosking had shares along with other Holding companies.All Documents are on Companies House website look at Filings Confirmation Statement

Palace Midco on Companies House:

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View Ginger Pubic Wig's Profile Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 02 Mar 18 3.41pm Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

I don't see the ownership structure described in the link I sent. However, it seems known that Browett, Long and the other fella whose name escapes me sold up in return for ownership of subordinate shares and less influence. And fair enough.

It's less clear what Parish did, financially at least, but i believe at the time he was reported to be an equal class of shareholder to Blitzer and Harris (in the senior shareholding entity). It seemed (and seems) like Parish would have operational control but with their holding, they must want significant input on major financial decisions (and who wouldn't?) We can only guess how that plays out in practice.

But what he said about the Benteke transfer was very revealing and should make the Parish haters pause.

Edited by Ginger Pubic Wig (02 Mar 2018 3.44pm)

 


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View dave64's Profile dave64 Flag madiera 02 Mar 18 6.55pm Send a Private Message to dave64 Add dave64 as a friend

seems to me parish and friends made their money back and huge personal profits,,, the money from americans only paid for the shares not put into any investment just in pockets of the past shareholders...no evidence of any real investment other than money from tv rights

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 02 Mar 18 7.00pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by dave64

seems to me parish and friends made their money back and huge personal profits,,, the money from americans only paid for the shares not put into any investment just in pockets of the past shareholders...no evidence of any real investment other than money from tv rights

Yep. You have no proof. Nobody does either way.

 


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View Goldfiinger's Profile Goldfiinger Flag Just down the road 02 Mar 18 11.48pm Send a Private Message to Goldfiinger Add Goldfiinger as a friend

Originally posted by dave64

seems to me parish and friends made their money back and huge personal profits,,, the money from americans only paid for the shares not put into any investment just in pockets of the past shareholders...no evidence of any real investment other than money from tv rights

They said they'd part fund the stadium works... so when that gets going I imagine that's when you'll start to see the evidence.

Parish also said they dipped in to there pockets last Jan although I'd imagine that got repaid to them.. hence why this summer not much was spent.

 

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