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 steeleye20 Online  Croydon 07 Apr 18 5.45am |
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If they had been exposed to a 'military grade' nerve agent then they would be dead, as Putin said. Apparently the 2 guinea pigs at the house died from lack of water and the cat put down as it was stressed, hardly 'novichok'. Next up will be discoveries of secret nerve agent laboratories in Russia known only to the Times, Daily Mail etc. exclusively and unable to give their sources. In a poll I saw today 69% of UK people thought the government were making outrageous unsubstantiated claims.
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| steeleye20 Online Croydon 07 Apr 18 5.56am |
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The penalties for governments and their agencies who lie to the public as in WMD, are simply that we cannot just take their word for things anymore.
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| Stirlingsays 07 Apr 18 6.02am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
If they had been exposed to a 'military grade' nerve agent then they would be dead, as Putin said. Apparently the 2 guinea pigs at the house died from lack of water and the cat put down as it was stressed, hardly 'novichok'. Next up will be discoveries of secret nerve agent laboratories in Russia known only to the Times, Daily Mail etc. exclusively and unable to give their sources. In a poll I saw today 69% of UK people thought the government were making outrageous unsubstantiated claims. Oh well, if Putin says something then it must be true.....because...you know...Putin. In US polls, 42 percent of people think there was a cover up over 911.....Polls are not connected to truth, they are opinions.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 07 Apr 18 11.43am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
If they had been exposed to a 'military grade' nerve agent then they would be dead, as Putin said. Apparently the 2 guinea pigs at the house died from lack of water and the cat put down as it was stressed, hardly 'novichok'. Next up will be discoveries of secret nerve agent laboratories in Russia known only to the Times, Daily Mail etc. exclusively and unable to give their sources. In a poll I saw today 69% of UK people thought the government were making outrageous unsubstantiated claims. LBC are reporting that if exposure is through skin contact the effects are not as immediate as inhalation and that is why the treatment appears to be working.
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 08 Apr 18 8.09pm |
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Originally posted by europalace
Innocent until proven 100% guilty. That's UK law and justice isn't it? So why isn't it aplied when a foreign entity is involved? Still, it's being used to take the focus away from a disasterous brexit 'negotiation' that's gone played virtually all the way into EU hands. Criminal law, the criteria is 'beyond reasonable doubt' Civil law, the criteria can be 'on the balance of probability' So who has the motive ? Russia has form for poisoning defectors. In the current social climate in the UK, you'd think an 'intelligence-backed' assassination/murder, would take the form of a stabbing in the street and stealing of personal items. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (08 Apr 2018 8.15pm)
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| johnfirewall 08 Apr 18 8.40pm |
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Does anyone really think it wasn't the Kremlin, other than those who want Corbyn to be right?
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| steeleye20 Online Croydon 08 Apr 18 9.44pm |
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Originally posted by johnfirewall
Does anyone really think it wasn't the Kremlin, other than those who want Corbyn to be right? Why what do you think happened.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 08 Apr 18 9.54pm |
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Originally posted by johnfirewall
Does anyone really think it wasn't the Kremlin, other than those who want Corbyn to be right? Much as it pains me to say it, I actually think that Corbyn’s response was reasonable and measured. The whole thing is just too convenient for May, to cover up her disastrous handling of pretty much everything. Yes, Prime Mnister was wise to this tactic 30 years ago,
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| Hrolf The Ganger 08 Apr 18 10.14pm |
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There is danger in believing that everything that ever happens is a false flag operation but there is as much danger in believing that nothing is ever a false flag operation. It's a bit like the Moon landings. There are so many good reasons why America could have faked them but does anyone really believe it could have happened? Compelling evidence doesn't make it so either way. We are left with a lot of people murmuring conjecture.
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 08 Apr 18 10.17pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
There is danger in believing that everything that ever happens is a false flag operation but there is as much danger in believing that nothing is ever a false flag operation. It's a bit like the Moon landings. There are so many good reasons why America could have faked them but does anyone really believe it could have happened? Compelling evidence doesn't make it so either way. We are left with a lot of people murmuring conjecture. The end result being that one’s default position is to not trust the government. And that’s where we are now.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 08 Apr 18 10.27pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
The end result being that one’s default position is to not trust the government. And that’s where we are now. I think the default position always to be not to take anything at face value. We know that governments lie but we never know about exactly what. Those that control information can have us wondering indefinitely. If they can slip the assassination of a President past us then what hope do we have with regard to a couple of poisonings?
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 08 Apr 18 10.38pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I think the default position always to be not to take anything at face value. We know that governments lie but we never know about exactly what. Those that control information can have us wondering indefinitely. If they can slip the assassination of a President past us then what hope do we have with regard to a couple of poisonings? We can maintain a healthy cynicism over what we’re told, believe the opposite and still be in with a chance of having called it right.
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