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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 20 Mar 18 9.00pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

We are officially in George Orwell's 1984.

Yep, and he was a socialist who actually cared about free speech.....not like these third rate progressives today.

One of his famous quotes, 'If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.'

Apparently for some, this should only extends to serious intellectual ideas that aren't offensive to others.

If someone makes a bad taste joke I ignore them or I might criticise them....I don't look to send them to prison.....these are awful people.


Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Mar 2018 9.02pm)

 

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View stuckinbristol's Profile stuckinbristol Flag In the woodwork. 20 Mar 18 9.01pm Send a Private Message to stuckinbristol Add stuckinbristol as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

We are officially in George Orwell's 1984.

No one spied on him, and secretly filmed him making an offensive joke in the privacy of his own home.
He had the genius idea to put it all over the World Wide Web, and hey, look what happened.

 


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View Penge Eagle's Profile Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 20 Mar 18 9.05pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by stuckinbristol

No one spied on him, and secretly filmed him making an offensive joke in the privacy of his own home.
He had the genius idea to put it all over the World Wide Web, and hey, look what happened.

Erm... it's about how thought is suppressed under a totalitarian regime. And not sure Orwell could have predicted the internet when the book was written in 1949.

 

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View JusticeToad's Profile JusticeToad Flag Beckenham 20 Mar 18 9.05pm Send a Private Message to JusticeToad Add JusticeToad as a friend

Originally posted by martin2412

Along similar lines, I'd be interesred to hear why the mods pulled my post today about Tottenham being Jewish, in the thread about Spurs making a derisory 40 millon bid for Zaha.

It was a joke ffs. That's all. The Jewish are known for being careful with their money.

If some poor little soul was offended by that then they need to either get a life or counselling.

Couldn't agree more. These people need to toughen up fast or life is going to be very difficult for them.

I wonder how many years of jail time Monty Python would have received for the Life of Brian...some of the best comedy of all time is wildly offensive. And that's OK.

 

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View martin2412's Profile martin2412 Flag The Big Wide World 20 Mar 18 9.16pm Send a Private Message to martin2412 Add martin2412 as a friend

Originally posted by JusticeToad

Couldn't agree more. These people need to toughen up fast or life is going to be very difficult for them.

I wonder how many years of jail time Monty Python would have received for the Life of Brian...some of the best comedy of all time is wildly offensive. And that's OK.

Thats right. Apparently it's alright for Mel Brookes to rip the Jews to pieces whilst prancing about as Hitler. OK he's Jewish himself, but if you're offended by the content, you're offended by the content. You can't pick and choose.

 

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View Direwolf's Profile Direwolf Flag Lincoln 20 Mar 18 9.33pm Send a Private Message to Direwolf Add Direwolf as a friend

Originally posted by martin2412

Along similar lines, I'd be interesred to hear why the mods pulled my post today about Tottenham being Jewish, in the thread about Spurs making a derisory 40 millon bid for Zaha.

It was a joke ffs. That's all. The Jewish are known for being careful with their money.

If some poor little soul was offended by that then they need to either get a life or counselling.

I imagine it had something to do with this being a racial stereotype.

Edited by Direwolf (20 Mar 2018 9.34pm)

 


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View Ketteridge's Profile Ketteridge Flag Brighton 20 Mar 18 9.36pm Send a Private Message to Ketteridge Add Ketteridge as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Being offensive is part of free speech! Comedy is finished if you can't cause offence. In the context, it was CLEARLY a joke and you must know that he wasn't organising a hate campaign against Jews. I mean, did you take the clip literally??

No he wasn't organising a hate campaign and he wasn't tried for that either he was found guilty of sending by "means of a public electronic communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character".
Breaking taboos and being offensive is part of the creative process, I'll defend Bill Hicks, Frankie Boyle, the Sex pistols and others but the point is their offensiveness is to comment on society or gain a deeper understanding being offensive for the sake of being offensive is just being offensive. To put it in context this men taugtht a dog to nazi salute, even then if he had a good reason why he did it a could see an arguement of free speech but he did it to annoy his girlfriend.

 


One supporter of hacking argued that without it "you will do away with the courage and pluck of the game, and I will be bound to bring over a lot of Frenchmen who would beat you with a week's practice -Blackheath secretary at first meeting of the F.A

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 20 Mar 18 9.52pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

You might as well talk to the back of your hand with these people. They aren't worth it.

Action has to be taken in other ways. There is going to be a demonstration outside the houses of parliament on the 23rd of April, which is the day of the sentencing.

It's being organised by the liberalists - UK. I'll provide more details when I know them.

 

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View Ketteridge's Profile Ketteridge Flag Brighton 20 Mar 18 10.10pm Send a Private Message to Ketteridge Add Ketteridge as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You might as well talk to the back of your hand with these people. They aren't worth it.

Action has to be taken in other ways. There is going to be a demonstration outside the houses of parliament on the 23rd of April, which is the day of the sentencing.

It's being organised by the liberalists - UK. I'll provide more details when I know them.

Sorry if I'm miss reading you here Stirling, but this is a discussion on free speeach, I could add Voltaire to the Orwell quotes 'I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it'
If free speech mean anything it means engaging with people you disagree with through discussion. As I sorry if I'm miss reading you comments.

 


One supporter of hacking argued that without it "you will do away with the courage and pluck of the game, and I will be bound to bring over a lot of Frenchmen who would beat you with a week's practice -Blackheath secretary at first meeting of the F.A

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View martin2412's Profile martin2412 Flag The Big Wide World 20 Mar 18 10.11pm Send a Private Message to martin2412 Add martin2412 as a friend

Originally posted by Direwolf

I imagine it had something to do with this being a racial stereotype.

Edited by Direwolf (20 Mar 2018 9.34pm)

I hope nobody starts a thread about circumcision then

 

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View elgrande's Profile elgrande Flag bedford 20 Mar 18 10.20pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

I was given tickets to see Jimmy Carr,Jesus I hope any one that is offended easily never goes to him live....nothing is spared.

This new lot would sentence him to 10 years hard Labour.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 20 Mar 18 10.38pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Ketteridge

Sorry if I'm miss reading you here Stirling, but this is a discussion on free speeach, I could add Voltaire to the Orwell quotes 'I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it'
If free speech mean anything it means engaging with people you disagree with through discussion. As I sorry if I'm miss reading you comments.

Ha...the paradox of stating that you agree with the imprisoning of certain people over offence while you quote Voltaire...because you view some more worthy than others!.....By the way that isn't actually a real quote from Voltaire but a summary of his beliefs.

I'm not stopping your right to expression....and I wouldn't agree with you being punished for expressing your views. However, your replies thus far seem tone deaf to the points made and just restate your position....what's the point, but ok I'll answer a point you make.

You mention comedians you like and the sex pistols and make a point that you can defend them because you could see justified 'commentary' in their offence......Wow...boy that is weak.....You ever considered that far more relevant to them was making money and that shock value enabled it? You viewing their 'offence' as defendable but not others is extremely subjective.

It's a point made on very unsteady ground.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Mar 2018 10.41pm)

 

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