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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 22 Mar 18 7.33pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

The good news Ketteridge is that you are apart of the overall problem. Completely independent of it. Stirling likes independent thinkers

I keep making this mistake with this word.

 

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View Ketteridge's Profile Ketteridge Flag Brighton 22 Mar 18 9.31pm Send a Private Message to Ketteridge Add Ketteridge as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Reading your posts is annoying and your attitude is offensive to me. I regard your views as a part of the overall problem in this country. However I believe in your right to express your views.

You are being criticised not limited in your free speech.....that's stuff you support.

As I have said the point about ISIS has no bearing on this case, I mentioned it in a response to the defence that he was just joking to show that 'just joking' doesnít excuse everything.
As I said three times now, he was found guilty of sending by "means of a public electronic communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character" not hate crimes. You pointing out that ĎDankula had already implied at the start of the video that anything Nazi related is offensive. So it's not helping them unless you view mockery as helpí really just confirms my point by his own admission he found the most offensive thing he could and used it as a basis for his joke, and the fall foul of laws ruling governing offence and we are surprised by this?
Again as Iíve said before I support a wider version of free speech then is currently in the country, I said in a previous post that I would be happy to see David Irving , Ken Livingstone, Omar Bakri discussing their views openly I would be happy for James McClean to explain why he wonít wear a poppy. If it is only the views I support I will allow then Iím holocaust denier and but believe Hitler was a Zionist who wants a united Ireland but only under Sharia law, that would indeed make me an very independent thinker.
Again, my views are subjective but supported by the Law which is supported by democratically elected representatives, laws upheld by successive governments. If there are protest and the law changes then as I have said I will adjust my view of what is considered acceptable by society , even if it is not considered acceptable by me.

As I have said Iím limited to what I can do , this site has rules if I break them I will be Yellow or red carded, if I go to the Whitgift centre and shout my head off randomly I will asked to leave at the very least. My local pub cannot show hardcore p*** whatever the demand for it. We live in society and therefore have societal rules and law so that society can work.

I mention the artist and comedian as a point that offence can be legitimate in the line of creativity; Bill Hicks used offence to make wider points about society fine and noble intent, not to annoy his girlfriend.

If my view and post are annoying to you fair enough Iím not intending to annoy you which I understand you accept, as you have said that is the point of free speech, if I was deliberately trying to annoy you then that would be trolling which is a bad thing but we are having a free exchange of view which is a good thing.

 


One supporter of hacking argued that without it "you will do away with the courage and pluck of the game, and I will be bound to bring over a lot of Frenchmen who would beat you with a week's practice -Blackheath secretary at first meeting of the F.A

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View Ketteridge's Profile Ketteridge Flag Brighton 22 Mar 18 9.34pm Send a Private Message to Ketteridge Add Ketteridge as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

The good news Ketteridge is that you are apart of the overall problem. Completely independent of it. Stirling likes independent thinkers

Thanks Mapletree, but given I'm dyslexic with fat fingers which are no good for typing I'll keep my head down about spelling and typing errors to be on the safe side.

Edited by Ketteridge as I could not even write a short sentence without an error (22 Mar 2018 9.35pm)

Edited by Ketteridge (22 Mar 2018 9.37pm)

 


One supporter of hacking argued that without it "you will do away with the courage and pluck of the game, and I will be bound to bring over a lot of Frenchmen who would beat you with a week's practice -Blackheath secretary at first meeting of the F.A

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 22 Mar 18 10.23pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Ketteridge

Thanks Mapletree, but given I'm dyslexic with fat fingers which are no good for typing I'll keep my head down about spelling and typing errors to be on the safe side.

Edited by Ketteridge as I could not even write a short sentence without an error (22 Mar 2018 9.35pm)

Edited by Ketteridge (22 Mar 2018 9.37pm)

TBF I havenít seen many errors my friend. You handle it well.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 22 Mar 18 10.25pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I keep making this mistake with this word.

You could have got away with that one Stirling. I assumed it was auto correct. I just like to tease.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 22 Mar 18 11.02pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

You could have got away with that one Stirling. I assumed it was auto correct. I just like to tease.

I don't look to 'get away' with stuff Maple.

I have no issues with being corrected if it's accurate. Pedantry is fine as long as it doesn't end up dominating everything.

Indeed, it's better than having a forum that reads like a chavvy teenager's mobile phone output.

 

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View Penge Eagle's Profile Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 23 Mar 18 8.52am Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Jonathan Pie makes a pretty good assessment on this [Link]

 

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View Mr_Gristle's Profile Mr_Gristle Flag In the land of Whelk Eaters 23 Mar 18 10.56am Send a Private Message to Mr_Gristle Add Mr_Gristle as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Jonathan Pie makes a pretty good assessment on this [Link]

JP is consistently bang on with his rants, Penge.

Agreeing with him makes you an honourary socialist, so welcome aboard :-)

 


Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

JP is consistently bang on with his rants, Penge.

Agreeing with him makes you an honourary socialist, so welcome aboard :-)

Nooooooooooooooooo!

I do like him, though obviously don't agree with everything he says. Many issues are not simply a case of being 'left' or 'right' and just what is right!

 

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View Ketteridge's Profile Ketteridge Flag Brighton 23 Mar 18 9.29pm Send a Private Message to Ketteridge Add Ketteridge as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Jonathan Pie makes a pretty good assessment on this [Link]

Sorry don't want to sound like I'm just being grumpy now but would that be the the Jonathan Pie who got his break through and worked for Russia Today? Funded by the bastion of free speech the Russian state?

 


One supporter of hacking argued that without it "you will do away with the courage and pluck of the game, and I will be bound to bring over a lot of Frenchmen who would beat you with a week's practice -Blackheath secretary at first meeting of the F.A

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 23 Mar 18 10.28pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Ketteridge

Sorry don't want to sound like I'm just being grumpy now but would that be the the Jonathan Pie who got his break through and worked for Russia Today? Funded by the bastion of free speech the Russian state?

It isn't only grumpy it's irrelevant. A point stands on its own regardless of who makes it.

He attacks everything you argued for on this whether he worked for 'Russia today' or Breitbart.

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 24 Mar 18 12.00am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It isn't only grumpy it's irrelevant. A point stands on its own regardless of who makes it.

He attacks everything you argued for on this whether he worked for 'Russia today' or Breitbart.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Mar 2018 10.30pm)

Not really. You yourself have argued there is no such thing as objectivity. So to understand someoneís subjectivity it is relevant to look at their history and the provenance of their philosophies.

 

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