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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 23 Mar 18 4.36pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Stuk

Not having access to the bank of mum and dad, being less well off, or even poor doesn't make robbing people of their possessions acceptable. It still makes them c***s.

We not talking about someone taking some food in order to live.

Again – you're misconstruing attempts at explaining the cause with agreement of the act.

I've never said I agree with mugging people. Or that any explanation makes this acceptable.

 


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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 23 Mar 18 4.38pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Social mobility hey. Social mobility by these gun threatening kids is expected and stolen to try to achieve it. There's been immigrants who've not actually achieved social mobility but I'll tell you something you know. They didn't put a gun in someone's face and now their offspring or their offspring may have achieved in life.


Edited by Rudi Hedman (23 Mar 2018 3.19pm)

Completely true. But there have also been ones that have. I covered that.

Your point is?

It's a fallacy to say it's not inevitable, because it is already happening. Every day.

 


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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 23 Mar 18 4.45pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

SW19, sorry but I cannot see people shoving a gun in people's faces for their possessions as inevitable and neither do I see sociological factors making that inevitable either. That is evil and their choice. Their is a choice to use a gun.

And they're doing this from 15, not when opportunities have completely disappeared.

OK. How do you know that their opportunities haven't disappeared at 15? Is there a specific age where they have or have not? Not sure I understand this point. It might be more beneficial for them to change earlier rather than later, agreed, or at least try to. But once again referencing my original admittedly lengthly posts, just because you make that choice doesn't mean it will work out. And then where are you? Good intentions don't trump circumstance, luck and a diminishing return of options that in some cases people have mostly zero control over.

We're getting into causality a bit here, and oversimplifying choice to the point of removing it from context.

 


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View Stuk's Profile Stuk Flag Top half 23 Mar 18 4.57pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Again – you're misconstruing attempts at explaining the cause with agreement of the act.

I've never said I agree with mugging people. Or that any explanation makes this acceptable.

Then whatever point you're trying to make isn't getting across, and I'm not the only one who can't see what you're getting at.

Even if your choices are really limited and boil down to should I be a thieving c*** or not, you choose not.

 


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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 23 Mar 18 5.01pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Stuk

Then whatever point you're trying to make isn't getting across, and I'm not the only one who can't see what you're getting at.

Even if your choices are really limited and boil down to should I be a thieving c*** or not, you choose not.

And I'm saying it's not as simple as that. Because it's not.

 


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View Casual's Profile Casual Flag Orpington 23 Mar 18 5.39pm Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

Mods can you lock a thread for getting too boring? This one has now died.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 24 Mar 18 12.13am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

OK. How do you know that their opportunities haven't disappeared at 15? Is there a specific age where they have or have not? Not sure I understand this point. It might be more beneficial for them to change earlier rather than later, agreed, or at least try to. But once again referencing my original admittedly lengthly posts, just because you make that choice doesn't mean it will work out. And then where are you? Good intentions don't trump circumstance, luck and a diminishing return of options that in some cases people have mostly zero control over.

We're getting into causality a bit here, and oversimplifying choice to the point of removing it from context.

You're verging on being a gun threatening apologist.

How do I know their opportunities haven't disappeared, and at 15 when they start mugging with weapons and guns on bikes? Well because they live in London. There's loads of jobs around if you actually look, keep trying and conduct yourself in the presence of employers, which is something they may pick up at school.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 24 Mar 18 12.21am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Completely true. But there have also been ones that have. I covered that.

Your point is?

It's a fallacy to say it's not inevitable, because it is already happening. Every day.

It's happening because they're not being chased and stopped. This kind of crime isn't inevitable. They have a choice, the police need to be able to stop it. Not everyone can afford luxuries or live like a 30/40+ year old when they're a teenager.

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 24 Mar 18 7.31am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Are we now saying that it wasn't Simon Jordan who was the victim but the gun toting scrote that held him up at gunpoint and robbed him?

 

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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 28 Mar 18 9.54am Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

I am concerned for Jordan, has he got his watch back yet?

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 28 Mar 18 11.15am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

I am concerned for Jordan, has he got his watch back yet?

The police say its only a matter of time.

 


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View cb1969's Profile cb1969 Flag Back in the 'hood 28 Mar 18 11.56am Send a Private Message to cb1969 Add cb1969 as a friend

Jordan said that in future he will join all of his watches together and wear them as a belt to hide them.

I think thats just a waist of time though.

 

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