Backflip?

I can't stand May but she has never said she backed leave.....also she has refused to say that she would back leave now.

She is a remainer and has never said otherwise. She is however a democrat.....unlike Venezuelan and Castro supporting Corbyn.

He chuckles with dictators while their victims cry out from torture in their prisons.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Mar 2018 4.19pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Over the weekend you accused me of being thick, being a snowflake and being anti-semitic:

I know you're a bit thick

I'm finding that you appear to be a very sensitive snowflakey person

‘’This is the kind of thing anti semites say.....so instead of stating you are one I'll ask you for proof of such a ridiculous claim’’

How you get away with such things time and again is beyond me. I would have thought you would have changed your ways after your red card.

Just for your information I post the below regarding the Nazis and healthcare:

The historical period of the Weimar Republik has to be looked upon as the blossom time of municipal public health care under the influence of the theory of social hygiene. This leading theory originated from the idea of a social policy and a social medicine worked out during the German revolution of 1848. Its theoretical foundation as a social science was laid by Alfred Grotjahn in the years before 1914.

During the period of National Socialism, the majority of the reinsurance regulations remained unaffected, even though the influence of totalitarian Nazi regime on this self-governance system cannot be ignored (Busse et al., 2017; WHO, 2000). The funds were instead used for political purposes of the national-socialist state and party. The access to healthcare services for Jewish and other minorities was restricted. Workers and doctors who contributed and worked for the sickness fund and welfare were expelled from their service, and the Jewish doctors were prohibited from providing any healthcare service at all by 1938 (WHO, 2000).

The reason why I reacted strongly is that you post an apparently positive review of the great things the Nazis did relating to healthcare without providing any background as to why and the real effects.

We are still in a period where memories are painful. Every single day my mother reminds me of her continuing fear following a near miss from a V1. My father was blown up at Monte Casino and my uncle torpedo'd in the Atlantic on convoy duty.

I don't find I can stand by whilst you laud an aspect of Nazism which was central to their doctrine. Healthcare was a weapon against anyone other than the chosen. It was based on eugenics. That was the point I made in my first comment and remains correct.

Edited by Mapletree (26 Mar 2018 10.26pm)

You made stupid claims about Jews in our debate. Again, I urge people to read your amusing claims about IQ tests being unintentionally slanted towards Jews by Jews....it's a bit of a humdinger.

The debate starts on page 2 for anyone interested in reading it....quite amusing when read within the current context over Corbyn, who this guy obviously supports. I'll add again, I don't know that you are anti semitic and I didn't say you were. People can read your comments and come to their own conclusions....but I'll say it again, I don't know you to say and so I'm not calling you anti semitic. You made dim remarks and people make dim remarks all the time...I'm not inside your head to know their motivation. If you are going to say I called you anti semitic you are lying. If I believed that I would have said it.

I've also noticed that you like to pathway into victimhood from your debates with others. You did it with me and I offered you the option of not communicating if you preferred.....obviously you have ignored that.

Your comments, 'I don't know how you get away with it' suggest to me that you like to complain...which would fit with your victimhood tendency. I suggest to you again...If you are going to play victim not communicating is an option for you.

Turning to the Nazis and healthcare. I would be interested in knowing where this cut and paste has come from. It doesn't really say much of any detail nor contradict anything I said.

You think your family's history in WW2 is relevant to a discussion about historical accuracy? I could relate my own family's history but it's an appeal to emotion.

Not liking the Nazis is fine and far better than the opposite. I find it irritating that you label me as having given them a 'positive review' and 'lauding them'. I'd already included intense criticism of the Nazis along with my other comments...over your head obviously.

Just for those who have only read your disingenuous post here I'll again state that they were a terrible regime who are responsible for large unspeakable crimes against humanity unrelated to the base conflict.....up to six million Jews and at least double that plus civilian Russians.

However this is no excuse for a disregard of history and a desire to paint it with little objectivity. When you read up on these things I find the emotionalism annoying. Nothing I stated was inaccurate. You inserted yourself and claimed otherwise and made a fool of yourself....more so with the Jewish comments later on.

The Nazis were national socialists.....a mixture of extreme authoritarianism with socialist policies....not international socialism but national socialism as I said.

Knowledge is better than ignorance and attempted objectivity is better than emotionalism.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Mar 2018 6.52am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

It's complicated.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Hang on...so in an attempt to refute accusations of Islamaphobia you present an Islamaphobe. Nicely done.

Do you think that if someone criticises Islam, then they're an islamophobe?

Do you think name calling wins arguments?