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View kevlee's Profile kevlee Flag born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 02 Apr 18 9.20am Send a Private Message to kevlee Add kevlee as a friend

Having read a lot of this thread the major opinions are:
1. he made an awful decision, and most people agree it should have been a red card; and
2. as per one, but the reason he did it is because he wanted Liverpool to win and also because he is corrupt and was paid backhanders by unknown third parties, possibly in Asia.
I think its number 1 and he should be sent for retraining or even demoted from the panel for the rest of the season.
If someone seriously reckons its number two then its a case for the police surely?

 


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chateauferret Flag 02 Apr 18 9.27am

Originally posted by PZ Eagle

Another ref who got two decisions wrong at Chelsea yesterday.

"Former referees' chief Keith Hackett says referee Craig Pawson did not deal with tackles from Tottenham's Erik Lamela and Jan Vertonghen "correctly" in their side's win at Chelsea and that "if VAR had been in use, Tottenham would have finished the game with nine men"

The only reason I've ever seen Spurs play without committing at least one unpunished sending-off offence is because they sold Kyle Walker.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Apr 18 9.54am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Heavens above !

Big club bias, cheating, Asian betting markets - mass hysteria has taken the place of reasoned debate. I totally reject such risible accusations. Cheap shots as far as I am concerned.

Trust me, referees don't want to be involved in any controversies. They take a pride in their performances and want to come off the field having performed with great aplomb. They might make mistakes but they don't knowingly make mistakes to favour a team. They are human they are not cheats.

With regard to the Mane incident clearly if a second yellow had been issued there wouldn't be the controversy but this is not what lost us the game. Referees err from time to time but they are honest errors and ones which are highlighted in their vigorous post-match evaluation.

Anyway out now so HOL will be a WILLO free zone for a while!


Edited by Willo (02 Apr 2018 9.56am)

 

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View Gary St.Andrews's Profile Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 02 Apr 18 10.04am Send a Private Message to Gary St.Andrews Add Gary St.Andrews as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Heavens above !

Big club bias, cheating, Asian betting markets - mass hysteria has taken the place of reasoned debate. I totally reject such risible accusations. Cheap shots as far as I am concerned.

Trust me, referees don't want to be involved in any controversies. They take a pride in their performances and want to come off the field having performed with great aplomb. They might make mistakes but they don't knowingly make mistakes to favour a team. They are human they are not cheats.

With regard to the Mane incident clearly if a second yellow had been issued there wouldn't be the controversy but this is not what lost us the game. Referees err from time to time but they are honest errors and ones which are highlighted in their vigorous post-match evaluation.

Anyway out now so HOL will be a WILLO free zone for a while!


Edited by Willo (02 Apr 2018 9.56am)

Not issuing a second yellow card to Mane was a turning point and it did determine the outcome of the game. Klopp would have settled for a point as his substitutions after that incident were thrown up in the air with the Lallana injury. The refs make a lot of poor decisions every weekend, not from time to time ....

 

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The ref bottled it because he didn’t want to send off a Liverpool player, simple as that. It wasn’t as if he missed something, he saw the offence and it was a 100% clear and obvious yellow card. An amateur decision that is embarrassing for the premiership.

He also made a very strange decision when Wilf was clearly fouled in front of the Arthur and it looked like he played advantage to Liverpool.

One thing he did do in our favour was not booking Cabaye for asking for a yellow (twice) although it does suggest Yohan has a better understanding of the rules than the ref does.

 

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View the silurian's Profile the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 02 Apr 18 10.32am Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Heavens above !

Big club bias, cheating, Asian betting markets - mass hysteria has taken the place of reasoned debate. I totally reject such risible accusations. Cheap shots as far as I am concerned.

Trust me, referees don't want to be involved in any controversies. They take a pride in their performances and want to come off the field having performed with great aplomb. They might make mistakes but they don't knowingly make mistakes to favour a team. They are human they are not cheats.

With regard to the Mane incident clearly if a second yellow had been issued there wouldn't be the controversy but this is not what lost us the game. Referees err from time to time but they are honest errors and ones which are highlighted in their vigorous post-match evaluation.

Anyway out now so HOL will be a WILLO free zone for a while!


Edited by Willo (02 Apr 2018 9.56am)

How do you know this for 100% fact?

Nobody has suggested that his failure to properly apply the laws of football cost us the match, merely that it would be good to be on a level playing field with regard to decisions!
You keep harping on about rigourous post match evaluations, but nothing is ever done about errors...will swarbrick be demoted this week, I suspect not
What exactly is an 'honest error'? That one was not honest he failed to apply the laws of the game...WHY?

ps excellent news re your day out

 

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chateauferret Flag 02 Apr 18 10.44am

Originally posted by Willo

Heavens above !

Big club bias, cheating, Asian betting markets - mass hysteria has taken the place of reasoned debate.

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That Asian betting syndicates are involved in match-fixing worldwide and at very high levels isn't in dispute. That Premier League matches have been implicated is at least highly likely. There have been cases of players being caught match fixing again and again since the 1960s. There have been referees caught match-fixing at the World Cup.

It's a fact that referees are not paid anything like what the players are (by two orders of magnitude or so) and it's also a fact that betting markets cover "products" which are distinctly to do with the referee rather than the game, such as how many cards of what colours will be issued, how many free kicks, how many corners, and so on.

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(Those examples are from Bet365 for a Championship match being played today).

Anyone reasonable who looks at that whole picture and thinks that referees in the Premier League and Championship are somehow exempt from being manipulated in the interests of the massive Asian betting markets is delusional.


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michaelpearce Flag grays 02 Apr 18 10.51am

Originally posted by the silurian

How do you know this for 100% fact?

Nobody has suggested that his failure to properly apply the laws of football cost us the match, merely that it would be good to be on a level playing field with regard to decisions!
You keep harping on about rigourous post match evaluations, but nothing is ever done about errors...will swarbrick be demoted this week, I suspect not
What exactly is an 'honest error'? That one was not honest he failed to apply the laws of the game...WHY?

ps excellent news re your day out

refs are marked up or down on the official match report from both teams and refs report, errors are highlighted even shown at the meetings the refs have.
yes they can be demoted only if the standard in the lower leagues is higher or equal to,its not a closed shop and it costs them to get demoted,also speak to fans in lower division they complain about poor decisions to

 

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Originally posted by Willo

Heavens above !

Big club bias, cheating, Asian betting markets - mass hysteria has taken the place of reasoned debate. I totally reject such risible accusations. Cheap shots as far as I am concerned.

Trust me, referees don't want to be involved in any controversies. They take a pride in their performances and want to come off the field having performed with great aplomb. They might make mistakes but they don't knowingly make mistakes to favour a team. They are human they are not cheats.

With regard to the Mane incident clearly if a second yellow had been issued there wouldn't be the controversy but this is not what lost us the game. Referees err from time to time but they are honest errors and ones which are highlighted in their vigorous post-match evaluation.

Anyway out now so HOL will be a WILLO free zone for a while!


Edited by Willo (02 Apr 2018 9.56am)


BIG club bias.....

Spurs scored their winner from a corner that the official COULDNT POSSIBLY HAVE SEEN ( he was looking throught 2 goal posts,a goal keeper and the OPPOSITE side of the pitch)i and many others were less that 5 yards away and were STUNNED to see a corner given as it was clear to us the ball HANDNT gone out of play...
the official at the chelsea game dissallowed a perfectly good goal for a foul even the Chelsea players DIDNT appeal for...

then saturdays NON production of a 2nd yellow card....

im assuming that Mr Swarbricks error will be punished by be removed from the list for this weeks games it being such a high profile mistake?

 


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