What has he actually said that deserves this?

"Every single Muslim watching this… on 7/7 you got away with killing and maiming British citizens… you had better understand that we have built a network from one end of the country to the other end… and the Islamic community will feel the full force of the English Defence League if we see any of our British citizens killed, maimed, or hurt on British soil ever again."

So every single Muslim watching this was a terrorist. Like every British christian was culpable because we supported the USA who supplied and supported Iraq in using gas (Mustard and Sarin) on Iranians in the 1980s...before gassing people was a bad thing.

Edited by Bert the Head (13 Apr 2018 11.38pm)

Allegiance is what is important. People can self 'perceive' for personal self interest.

Britain is not a nation, it is a collection of home nations in a union.

I often find that the people who were born here but only describe themselves as 'British' without recognizing the actual home nation usually are pretty weak when it comes to allegiance. Hence they aren't really the same. They get all the benefits of a person who would stick with this country through think and thin yet they don't really care for it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Apr 2018 1.41am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I even mention one in the sentence you highlight. God knows what the century has to do with it.

Do you think they say in China, 'How exactly do you show strong allegiance in 21st century China?'

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Why wouldn't they?....oh yeah....we all know that China has a significant social cohesion problem don't we....What a point to argue. The only places in that massive country where social cohesion is a problem is in the places that China occupies, like Tibet.....or tries to control that has different identities like Hong Kong and Taiwan.

Why would a person fake allegiance to a country? Even economic immigrants aren't required to like a country to stay in it...... Regardless if someone spends any significant time with a person they are going to know.

There are many ways a person shows allegiance. If you come from a family that's been here for generations it can be shown in the numbers of your family who do military service for the country. Because that says something about the historical family culture. It can also say something about the levels of allegiance within a community. For example, four times the numbers of Muslims went to Syria to fight than have signed up for the British military. That's a well known statistic for those who understand the problems that multiculturalism has given that community.

It's shown in how you self identify.....what you call yourself, as I've said.

It's can be shown in flying the flag at national events like sporting occasions or national days.

It's can be shown in knowing the national anthem and singing it.

It can be shown in knowing and enjoying your country's language, history and cultural rituals and appreciation of its institutions.

But most of all it's known by what a person says about themselves and their identity over time and what they do.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Apr 2018 1.18pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Sure, but the point is reflective of the fact that some cultures are more resistant to integration than others. Hence socially conservative Islamic families are a problem. Politicians have worsened the situation with religious schools and turning a blind eye to radicalism and anti western attitudes. People can point to say socially conservative Jewish families and say they don't integrate, which is also true...but there are reasons why we don't see Jewish terrorist attacks in the UK and a significant factor is the reality that western principles coincide with Jewish religious principles far easier.

Apart from disagreeing with him on politics and thinking he's a berk I have no issues acknowledging that Khan is British....though...again, it's the fault of diminishing claims...if he's born in a home country then why isn't he stating that first? But yes, Khan is British.

I know where Robinson is coming from when he speaks of 'invasion'. He is voicing frustration (which the usual suspects call racism) But anyone who looks at what London is now compared to what it was when I was growing up understands that the demographics have changed significantly.

London is now more a migrant city than an English one. That annoys me too.....to be honest, when it comes to money, I'd rather have my capital back please.....a cap on immigration in general should work towards this.

London is the capital of England.....England...meaning that if the majority of people within it aren't English or consider themselves English then what the feck is going on? How does that carry on down the line without problems? We have already seen a widening between London and the rest of the country in aspects like Brexit....it's not good.

Still, I don't agree with Robinson. He goes too far with that statement on Khan.

Families who have invested into this country and call themselves English/British....well, they may be politically against me (because for self interest reasons most minorities vote left) but I'm not interested in them.

So now I have been given two statements has made that I don't support....that's fair enough, but I still think the reaction to him is vastly over exaggerated. I also agree with him on several points like free speech and being against the operation of Sharia in the country and the lax attitude towards activist Islam.

As for Lennon/Yaxley.....I looked at the 'Britain first' website and their policies are actually a kind of religious national socialism. So while I might be against some of the people they campaign against I don't support the principles of their movement.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Apr 2018 11.43am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I think Goldsmith made this point. It's a valid one. Of course he was of course wrongly damned by both politicians and media. Whenever he is brought up he's referred to as having run a racist campaign.

Apparently bringing up the realities he did was unacceptable. To me it just shows how fecked this country is and how social cohesion is only going to worsen.

We need a right wing broadcaster in this country because the right wing voice has been silenced by the left on the TV. The BBC lies about being impartial and the Tory party under May has become like some kind of social justice feminist movement.....which is a joke to its grass roots.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Apr 2018 12.03pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)