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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 23 Oct 18 1.21pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

You may have 'answered' them but that does not mean they are correct.


So correct me.

All you have is opinion. Robinson and co have stats to show the problems that your side have no answers for.

All Labour do....which is who you support right? All they do is cover up for years these abuses and then sack people like Sarah Champion who had to deal with it.

Yeah, you really care.

 


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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 23 Oct 18 1.26pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

I have an issue with an individual using horrific crimes to further his own cause.

The case was sickening, and turns my stomach just as much as anyone, but, and this is the important bit, it was in the process of being dealt with by the authorities, and the sentences this week reflect the severity of the terrible crimes committed.

Tommy could have well jeopardised this by his moronic and selfish actions.

I have a huge distaste for radical Islam too. I also have a huge distaste for the effect that people like Tommy have in whipping up racial tensions and creating huge issues and distrust for normal, law abiding, peace loving members of the Muslim community (of which they hugely outnumber the pricks who believe in anything radical).

Corbynista. IRA,Hamas, Anti Semetic, Munich Terrorists,PLO, Black September Etc etc .....

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 23 Oct 18 1.29pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Where do you get your information on Robinson?

If by agenda you mean in any way dishonest then that's inaccurate. Anyone who has watched Robinson's videos will understand that he's very open about his agenda.

He's anti Islamic. He believes the religion is incompatible with western values and if left uncontested with eventually take over the country.

That's his 'agenda'.

Robinson isn't ideal but no one else is doing it.

The authorities were shamed and bullied into their actions. They aren't the people to be trusted. They do nothing that they weren't forced to.

I mean he is every bit of a politician as the mainstream ones who also have their own agenda. He is building a career on this issue. All politicians do it and I have said I don't disagree with the thrust of his argument. However I would not buy a second hand car from him or Nigel Farage for that matter.

Just because someone has a valid point it doesn't mean I have to like or trust them.

 


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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 23 Oct 18 1.40pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


So correct me.

All you have is opinion. Robinson and co have stats to show the problems that your side have no answers for.

All Labour do....which is who you support right? All they do is cover up for years these abuses and then sack people like Sarah Champion who had to deal with it.

Yeah, you really care.

I'm not arrogant enough to think I have the answers. I know you've tried to turn yourself into some sort of overt arbiter of these boards and shout down anyone who believes different to you and always think you're right.

I'm rational enough to know that the 'answers' and the reality/truth typically lies somewhere in the middle. I also don't tie myself to any political party - I don't identify closely enough to anyone. I also dislike tribal politics as nothing ever gets done and all you get is shouting and people pushing their own cause.

I've also found that he who shouts the most and loudest, typically has the least of value to say. Something these boards have definitely proven.


Edited by DanH (23 Oct 2018 1.41pm)

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 23 Oct 18 2.43pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

I'm not arrogant enough to think I have the answers. I know you've tried to turn yourself into some sort of overt arbiter of these boards and shout down anyone who believes different to you and always think you're right.

I'm rational enough to know that the 'answers' and the reality/truth typically lies somewhere in the middle. I also don't tie myself to any political party - I don't identify closely enough to anyone. I also dislike tribal politics as nothing ever gets done and all you get is shouting and people pushing their own cause.

I've also found that he who shouts the most and loudest, typically has the least of value to say. Something these boards have definitely proven.


Edited by DanH (23 Oct 2018 1.41pm)

You are living proof.

Come on Dan, you know that life has very few absolutes.

Robinson is a rallying point and his personal virtues are very much a secondary issue.
The battlefield here has average people against suffocating state and media driven propaganda and suppression of facts.
I doubt many of the protagonists are 'far Right'. They are just sick of being stamped on by the jackboots of the self serving elite and their useful idiot Left/liberal acomplices.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 23 Oct 18 4.11pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

I'm not arrogant enough to think I have the answers.

Really? But you're arrogant enough to think you know people's motivations and 'agendas'. So as usual, no 'correcting' from you just the usual moaning about others.

Originally posted by DanH

I know you've tried to turn yourself into some sort of overt arbiter of these boards and shout down anyone who believes different to you and always think you're right.

I shout down nobody, that's untrue.

If the flaws I pick out in other people's arguments result in them withdrawing that's their choice. I have no issues with robust debate and the only complaints from me have come from excessive swearing (which I have been known to ignore) or threats of physical violence.

Yes I think I'm right on this, but I'm there to be proven incorrect. Because believe me, I'm going to continue picking your arguments apart.

Originally posted by DanH

I'm rational enough to know that the 'answers' and the reality/truth typically lies somewhere in the middle. I also don't tie myself to any political party - I don't identify closely enough to anyone. I also dislike tribal politics as nothing ever gets done and all you get is shouting and people pushing their own cause.

I've also found that he who shouts the most and loudest, typically has the least of value to say. Something these boards have definitely proven.


Edited by DanH (23 Oct 2018 1.41pm)

I don't believe you, I think you vote Labour and will continue to....but that is your choice and right, but I don't buy the implied political independence.

As for those who contribute to the boards. I default welcome them, whether they agree with me or not and I do so in the spirit of free speech....regardless of your contempt for them or some of them.


Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Oct 2018 4.14pm)

 


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Robinson supporter and campaigner Jonaya reports on more shady sh1t the Met Police have been getting up to.

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Originally posted by Badger11

I mean he is every bit of a politician as the mainstream ones who also have their own agenda. He is building a career on this issue. All politicians do it and I have said I don't disagree with the thrust of his argument. However I would not buy a second hand car from him or Nigel Farage for that matter.

Just because someone has a valid point it doesn't mean I have to like or trust them.


I would agree with you that Robinson isn't ideal and even I differ with him on some points.

If Douglas Murray came down from his lofty tower and get his hands dirty then it might be a different matter......but he's too smart to be the pioneer.

However, Robinson deserves massive respect for being the only one out there who is willing to buck the 'politicians' narrative and expose their lies and the lies of the media.

Who else is doing it?

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Oct 2018 4.22pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays


So correct me.

All you have is opinion. Robinson and co have stats to show the problems that your side have no answers for.

All Labour do....which is who you support right? All they do is cover up for years these abuses and then sack people like Sarah Champion who had to deal with it.

Yeah, you really care.

All you have is an opinion, backed up by stats from racist bigots such as Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson that back their racist beliefs. This is about as balanced as the s*** you post.
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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 23 Oct 18 5.51pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by lefty27

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All you have is an opinion, backed up by stats from racist bigots such as Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson that back their racist beliefs. This is about as balanced as the s*** you post.
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I stopped reading there.

You do understand that this is everything to do with behaviour and nothing to do with 'race'.

Of course you don't.

Not that Islam is a race by any reasonable definition.

It's just that if the same demographic has people who keep doing the same bad things, it is not unreasonable to recognise this and to call them out for it. Surely all the nice law abiding people in that demographic would want to route out the scum as well wouldn't they?

Unless you think that certain sections of society should be protected from criticism because of their identity?

On that basis, maybe White racists should be exempt from blame because they are White.


 

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 23 Oct 18 5.55pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by lefty27

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All you have is an opinion, backed up by stats from racist bigots such as Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson that back their racist beliefs. This is about as balanced as the s*** you post.
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Tommy is not racist. But he is islamophobic.

if any of the following are islamophobic, could you judge them unfavourably ?

gays, athiests, jews, apostates who renounced islam, anybody on the receiving-end of threats (including Tommy), scantily clad women, street-drinkers in certain postcodes, christian/atheist residents of neighbourhoods which have now gone majority muslim, teenage English girls in Huddersfield, Manchester Concert attendees, Tube users, secular speakers at Speakers Corner in Hyde Park, politicians, food retailers whose meat is not halal, dog owners, the dogs themselves, Uk based prisoners who are not muslims, journalists, satirists, etc etc.

Tommy is islamophobic, the only difference is his willingness to talk about it.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (23 Oct 2018 6.24pm)

 


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Originally posted by lefty27

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All you have is an opinion, backed up by stats from racist bigots such as Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson that back their racist beliefs. This is about as balanced as the s*** you post.
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You talk about 'racist bigots' yet the truth is that it's you who are part of the problem.

It's people like you with your comments here that the Islamic reformers point at. Not Hopkins and Robinson.

You represent support for cover that the left provide for the real problems here.

You give me an an article that seeks to cast doubt on the rape statistics provided by the 'Quilliam Foundation' a well known Islamic anti extremist group and governmental statistics themselves.

When I look at the article it makes the claim that the girls selected by these near exclusively Muslim men weren't selected with a 'racial motive'??? Instant strawman.

I mean...I nearly laughed. While there is probably a racial aspect to it as nearly all the girls are white girls the reality is the main motive is the non Islamic girl demographic.

Looking at the other claim the article makes.......it's looking at governmental studies and seeking to cast doubt on those studies.....even though it doesn't know the methods used it suggests they were inaccurate.....excuse me....where's the evidence for for suggesting the geographical data is incorrect?....what because they want it to be?......How stupid do these apologists get.....it suggests that the state, which institutions have done their upmost to protect these rapists for fear of racism claims....have in reality somehow deliberately compiled the data incorrectly on them.

Yet zero evidence for those claims, just projection.

Try reading the book, 'Easy Meat'.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Oct 2018 6.08pm)

 


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