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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yeah ok mate...I'm a STEM teacher, I'm so impressed with your children speaking three languages, mine will probably be engineers. None of that has anything to do with the points I raised.

Great to see you're fully committed to that. I'd love to see your ratio of teaching vs. shouting into the void. Engineering is an incredibly valuable and often under appreciated subject and needs more students, especially female ones, but it also needs to be taught by fully dedicated individuals.

 


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Originally posted by steve1984

Because according to you at least the country already has too many immigrants and so you're proposing to shut the stable door after the horse bolted.

I might also add that we have always enjoyed full control over immigration from outside the EU from whence came 99.9% of those you describe as having an undesirable culture.

But in the final analysis if you genuinely consider moslems to be undesirable then we're never gonna agree on anything much.

I don't think you've understood his point. "Shut the stable door" you said, he said "healthy trickle"

Correct we do have powers to control non EU
Migrants but we don't excersize this hence we arnt under 100.000 of government targets. So people are getting frustrated with a weak government and given a EU referendum it was the only realistic way of showing this desire
To want reduced migration. Had the government controlled all migration I believe we would have voted to stay in EU.


 

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Originally posted by steve1984

I assume that would be the same Iran which in the 1970s was ruled by a despotic, mass murdering, corrupt dictator who was installed in his position and maintained there by the governments of the United States and Britain in the interest of who exactly? Certainly not the Iranians, that's for sure.

Changing the point I see....it's ok though, I'll play.

What just maintained by the US and Britain was he? Just him and his small group of followers in Iran then.....Jesus, the kool aid is laughable....I mean the reality that the western governments choose...unethically to back one group over another...that reality just isn't interesting enough for you.....Most of those in Iran and the middle east who complain about this don't even value western democracy much anyway.

That region has had its strong men forcing control over the majority for many thousands of years and you give me the 'history of the dimwit' narrative that its the fault of the west.

Stick your Iranian cloak on Stevie.....I bet they would love you down there.....Fetch a few dollars at least amongst those freedom lovers.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Dec 2018 12.42pm)

 


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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Great to see you're fully committed to that. I'd love to see your ratio of teaching vs. shouting into the void. Engineering is an incredibly valuable and often under appreciated subject and needs more students, especially female ones, but it also needs to be taught by fully dedicated individuals.

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I'm fully qualified and taught and helped many people.....What have you done for society to criticise me?

 


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steve1984 04 Dec 18 12.48pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Changing the point I see....it's ok though, I'll play.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Dec 2018 12.42pm)

You asked me to reflect upon 1970s Iran in the context of what I'd just written.

Perhaps I misunderstood. How would you prefer to have me reflect upon 1970s Iran in the context of what I'd just written?

 

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steve1984 04 Dec 18 12.51pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


That region has had its strong men forcing control over the majority for many thousands of years

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Dec 2018 12.42pm)

And so has this part of the world to be fair.

 

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Originally posted by steve1984

You asked me to reflect upon 1970s Iran in the context of what I'd just written.

Perhaps I misunderstood. How would you prefer to have me reflect upon 1970s Iran in the context of what I'd just written?


You said that everyone wants 'freedom, prosperity and security'.....apparently you have only met people like that in your much traveled life....or bubble perhaps...no perhaps that is a little unfair.

Anyway you're not quite right. The evidence is that while I'd agree that pretty much everyone desires security (even if their actions sometimes naively work against that) the others require refinement.

There is a demographic of people within non European countries who don't want 'prosperity'.....certainly in the western sense....even a few Europeans who reject it.

But the far larger problem with your statement is the 'freedom' part. I showed you a picture of Iran in the seventies to illustrate the reality that different cultures place different value systems upon concepts like freedom....one group may back it, while the other won't....much as we differ on certain ideas.

Whose freedom?, What freedom?.....In reality what you seem to be referring to is mostly a western concept....which for most of human history was in very very very short supply.

And many people died fighting for.....You know....not many 'citizens of nowhere' amongst that lot.


Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Dec 2018 1.01pm)

 


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Originally posted by steve1984

And so has this part of the world to be fair.

To a much smaller extent, but that's fair enough.

I'd agree with your view that all humans are shades of each other...we are all related as humans...but that doesn't discount that within that concept the cultural and genetic shades and potentials differ highly.

 


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Originally posted by steve1984

Because according to you at least the country already has too many immigrants and so you're proposing to shut the stable door after the horse bolted.

I might also add that we have always enjoyed full control over immigration from outside the EU from whence came 99.9% of those you describe as having an undesirable culture.

But in the final analysis if you genuinely consider moslems to be undesirable then we're never gonna agree on anything much.


So your justification for more mass immigration is that it has already ruined the country so let it just continue?
Bonkers irrationality.

We have had control over non EU immigration. Successive governments have elected to allow vast numbers to come here against the wishes of the majority. And for what?

In the final analysis, it is clear as day that Islam is an undesirable culture. It promotes absurd religious dogma, sexism, misogyny, homophobia. Anti Western sentiment, terrorism, cruelty to animals, sectarianism, separatism and so on.
Do you consider anything on that list to be a good thing? Do you support these Islamic attitudes?


 

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steve1984 04 Dec 18 1.34pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


There is a demographic of people within non European countries who don't want 'prosperity'.....certainly in the western sense....even a few Europeans who reject it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Dec 2018 1.01pm)

Freedom to define prosperity might be a start. Who the hell are you to tell someone else what their definition of freedom should be?

 

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steve1984 04 Dec 18 1.39pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

To a much smaller extent, but that's fair enough.

I'd agree with your view that all humans are shades of each other...we are all related as humans...but that doesn't discount that within that concept the cultural and genetic shades and potentials differ highly.

Genetic shades now get a mention. Nice.

Odd that you consider Hitler and Stalin to have only forced control over the majority to a much smaller extent. I thought most people felt comfortable with the idea that they were mass murdering psychopaths. Perhaps you consider them to have been of an acceptable genetic shade.

 

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steve1984 04 Dec 18 1.42pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


In the final analysis, it is clear as day that Islam is an undesirable culture. It promotes absurd religious dogma, sexism, misogyny, homophobia. Anti Western sentiment, terrorism, cruelty to animals, sectarianism, separatism and so on.

Do you consider anything on that list to be a good thing? Do you support these Islamic attitudes?



No I don't. But I assume you also think that Orthodox Judaism is undesirable for many of the same reasons? And how about the Free Presbyterian Church of Ulster?

IMO all religion is absurd.


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