But to be clear I'm not trying to justify mass immigration. The country wasn't able to cope socially and economically with the numbers who were let in.

I'm happy with your trickle.

Sorry I didn't make myself clear. The point I made about the stable door was more that by closing down mass immigration, we're still left with the problem caused by the people who are already here.

I haven't heard anyone say what they think we should do to solve the problems that have been caused by the immigration of the past x years.

Some might call that a sweeping generalisation.

Well if they had listened to the sceptics in the first place, we wouldn't be in this mess now.

Personally. I'd ban all forms of public religious practice. Ban the Burka. Close all Mosque. Belief is a personal thing, it requires no building or public meeting.
I'd deport anyone of first or second generation immigrant status who commits serious crime back to their country of origin or revoke their passport and give them a period of time to leave.

I bet you don't like any of that do you?

You raised the point that you had never met a person who didn't value those three concepts.....now you want to throw in cultural relativism.

I suppose if you're a 'citizen of nowhere' it's a convenient requirement.

Go look at that picture of women in Iran before the revolution....How much of a say do you think they had?

Your philosophy is naivety made possible by the sacrifice of those who actually knew their identities.....not those who wore it like a cloak.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Dec 2018 3.47pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

This sounds sensible.

I'd be fascinated to know how you hope to tell the difference?