Are the French well behind with working hours
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 CambridgeEagle  Sydenham 04 Apr 18 9.19am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
This may all change. Macron is determined to push ahead and relax French labour laws starting with the railways which are massively in debt. The workers enjoy incredible perks and cannot be sacked. This is his Thatcher moment if the workers win he is finished as reform was a key plank in his program. I saw an article explaining the railway workers perks but I can't find it. Anyway the French are revolting.
France are miles ahead when it comes to productivity, which allows them to take more time off than us for similar levels of output. I love France. Fantastic country. It has its problems but in general it's a lovely place to be.
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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 04 Apr 18 10.32am |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
This the point I've seen so many people coming into work early and eating breakfast rather than working or staying late and nothing. UK culture is still that you have to be at office, or logged on; but it does not mean you are productive. My personal point of view is work hard / play hard; but being in the office is no good substitute for the willingness to apply skill or talent for a shorter period. It is one of the reasons some immigrants look good in jobs, and hence despised by some; they do not understand the UK "at work" culture.
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| Stuk Top half 04 Apr 18 2.01pm |
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Originally posted by nickyf
Just had a 4 day visit in France shops seemed to be shut most of the Easter weekend, opened at 8.30am closed by 12 mid day Compared to the UK they seem to be behind Decades behind. As for choosing to work the hours that suit them, it's not correct.
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| Stuk Top half 04 Apr 18 2.03pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
No wonder why they're 40 billion in debt then. They're also not allowed to have a state monopoly (SNCF) by EU rules, but that won't stop them striking against it.
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 05 Apr 18 8.13am |
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Do the French work ?
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| Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 05 Apr 18 8.18am |
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Originally posted by pefwin
This the point I've seen so many people coming into work early and eating breakfast rather than working or staying late and nothing. UK culture is still that you have to be at office, or logged on; but it does not mean you are productive. My personal point of view is work hard / play hard; but being in the office is no good substitute for the willingness to apply skill or talent for a shorter period. It is one of the reasons some immigrants look good in jobs, and hence despised by some; they do not understand the UK "at work" culture. Pefwin has highlighted my own experiences at British work.
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| chris123 hove actually 05 Apr 18 8.38am |
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Still struggle with this one - GDPs about the same, they have higher unemployment, but are more productive?
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 05 Apr 18 9.07am |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Decades behind. As for choosing to work the hours that suit them, it's not correct. Hours to suit them more along the lines of working less rather than more. Also this is a local decree which was upheld after public consultation. This is a good thing - rest is vital and important to ensure maintaining a balanced life. France are way ahead in many aspects, but behind in others, depending on your point of view of course. Still a great place to live or visit. The Dordogne has been inundated since Brexit with Brits wanting to buy a place in France so they can move out there for enough of the year to gain residency rights. Lovely part of the world.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 05 Apr 18 9.09am |
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Originally posted by chris123
Still struggle with this one - GDPs about the same, they have higher unemployment, but are more productive? Productivity is measured in output per hour worked. Fewer hours worked in total for the same output is more productive. pefwin is right. I know plenty of lawyers who sit at their desk for hours on end doing virtually nothing but have a face time requirement where they have to be seen to be at their desks.
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sitdownstandup  05 Apr 18 9.28am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The frogs behind? Sounds like the opposite to me. I think the only reason the shops may open in the morning is for the frog 'baguette' which does not last long. Work to live, don't live to work........ Spot on mate... less working hours more time to just live your life..
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| chris123 hove actually 05 Apr 18 11.07am |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Productivity is measured in output per hour worked. Fewer hours worked in total for the same output is more productive. pefwin is right. I know plenty of lawyers who sit at their desk for hours on end doing virtually nothing but have a face time requirement where they have to be seen to be at their desks. I know how it's calculated - my point is that there is cost represented by the unemployed that does not feature, debt too - nearly 50 billion euros in SNCFs case.
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| Stuk Top half 05 Apr 18 12.55pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Hours to suit them more along the lines of working less rather than more. Also this is a local decree which was upheld after public consultation. This is a good thing - rest is vital and important to ensure maintaining a balanced life. France are way ahead in many aspects, but behind in others, depending on your point of view of course. Still a great place to live or visit. The Dordogne has been inundated since Brexit with Brits wanting to buy a place in France so they can move out there for enough of the year to gain residency rights. Lovely part of the world. You specifically said "France has lots of small owner run businesses (no chains of boulangeries or patisseries etc), and they choose to work the hours that suit them." It's his bakery and he should be able to trade whenever he bleedin' likes. France is a lovely part of the world, but that's not to say they aren't decades behind in working practices. Hence why they elected a bloke, with a new party, on a mandate to change it. Even the name of it is a nod to how stuck in their ways they've been.
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