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Today's Gazzetta dello sport in Italy published the final report of the 1st season with VAR in Italy.
Errors down from 5.78% to 0.89%
Avg time for decision 31.5 sec
Bookings for complaining to refs -17%
Sending off -7.1%
Simulations -35.3%
Total of 117 decisions changed after seeing var
It has to be said that simulations and protests were a much bigger problem in Italy than in England.

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jun 18 8.16am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Not in my lifetime but I can envisage when there will be NO referee on the field of play and the game will be refereed remotely using the technology available.There will only be an official (Like the current 4th official) who will control the substitutions and the respective dug-outs.

Seems somewhat far-fetched but so did GPS, sat-navs, the Internet and mobile phones !

 

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Originally posted by Willo

Not in my lifetime but I can envisage when there will be NO referee on the field of play and the game will be refereed remotely using the technology available.There will only be an official (Like the current 4th official) who will control the substitutions and the respective dug-outs.

Seems somewhat far-fetched but so did GPS, sat-navs, the Internet and mobile phones !

I believe that it the automation of officiating in football will begin with the ARs (linesmen) and will concentrate on enforcing offside. The football ref has to cover a much greater distance/area and has a more complex series of decisions to make. For example, George Courtney's famous penalty decision in the 1989 playoffs was for a foul by Colin Hendrie on Mark Bright, not Eddie McGoldrick who had possession of the ball at the time. An automated official may not have made that call due to its concentration on who was in possession.

A more likely sport to have automated officiating is baseball. The rulings each umpire makes are specific to the base they are assigned to. There are experiments under way now for automated officiating for balls and strikes at home plate. Human umpires tend to have different strike zones based on how they set up behind the plate and also can be inconsistent during the game.

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Originally posted by kenbarr

I believe that it the automation of officiating in football will begin with the ARs (linesmen) and will concentrate on enforcing offside. The football ref has to cover a much greater distance/area and has a more complex series of decisions to make. For example, George Courtney's famous penalty decision in the 1989 playoffs was for a foul by Colin Hendrie on Mark Bright, not Eddie McGoldrick who had possession of the ball at the time. An automated official may not have made that call due to its concentration on who was in possession.

A more likely sport to have automated officiating is baseball. The rulings each umpire makes are specific to the base they are assigned to. There are experiments under way now for automated officiating for balls and strikes at home plate. Human umpires tend to have different strike zones based on how they set up behind the plate and also can be inconsistent during the game.

Edited by kenbarr (09 Jun 2018 8.55am)

I understand what you are saying,however it is feasible that there might be perhaps a couple of remote VAR's covering on and off the ball.And I agree that such automation might start with the ARs and the offside calls.

I suspect that when I am 'Pushing up the daisies' officiating will be vastly different to what it is at the present time with technology at the forefront and less officials at stadia for supporters to vent their spleen ! Be a world away from what it is now - shame I won't be around to witness it !

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Another major issue with automated officiating is security. Hacking into these systems is far too frequent and could affect the integrity of the sport. I've been working on remote voting in elections via the internet and security is the major stumbling block. Given the international nature of football and the influence of worldwide gambling interests, an automated officiating system would be a prime target for those who want to fi games for monetary gain. Given there is noted hacker sitting in the can at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London with nothing but time on his hands and an overweening ego to feed, Im sure for the right price he would be happy to provide his "services" to the highest bidder.

 


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Originally posted by kenbarr

Another major issue with automated officiating is security. Hacking into these systems is far too frequent and could affect the integrity of the sport. I've been working on remote voting in elections via the internet and security is the major stumbling block. Given the international nature of football and the influence of worldwide gambling interests, an automated officiating system would be a prime target for those who want to fi games for monetary gain. Given there is noted hacker sitting in the can at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London with nothing but time on his hands and an overweening ego to feed, Im sure for the right price he would be happy to provide his "services" to the highest bidder.

Ken

When you mention "Automated officiating" are you referring to technology itself which makes the decisions so there is no need for any human element ?

The point I have been making refers to remote officials (like the current VAR) viewing the vast array of technology available to him/her and making decisions based on what they have witnessed.Perhaps "Automated officiating" with technology making the decisions itself (With no VAR) will be the next advance after that.

 

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Automated Officials!

So does that mean that in a future FA cup final the robot referee will pose for pictures with Manchester United's legendary head of IT before the game?

 


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Originally posted by Willo

Ken

When you mention "Automated officiating" are you referring to technology itself which makes the decisions so there is no need for any human element ?

The point I have been making refers to remote officials (like the current VAR) viewing the vast array of technology available to him/her and making decisions based on what they have witnessed.Perhaps "Automated officiating" with technology making the decisions itself (With no VAR) will be the next advance after that.

I am talking about a system that makes the calls and replaces humans. This is where Major League Baseball is headed according to the Umpire's Union. There is little chance of hacking in VAR, unless the replay feeds are sabotaged.

 


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Originally posted by kenbarr

I am talking about a system that makes the calls and replaces humans. This is where Major League Baseball is headed according to the Umpire's Union. There is little chance of hacking in VAR, unless the replay feeds are sabotaged.

I thought you were but just wanted clarification.

The thrust of my comments related to Technology being monitored remotely and decisions taken from afar by an individual(s) without the need for a referee enforcing the laws on the pitch.

 

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Looks like we will be relying on the eagle-eyed vision of the likes of Madley again for another year. Cosmic.

Just shows how snail-like FA is with adjusting to tried and tested and successful technology. Far too many appalling refereeing decisions last season that leads one to conclude that urgent action is required. Cricket has structure in place offering each team chance to appeal thereby going to the 'third umpire' so why not have scope to allow TV referee esp. in Premiership given that all games are filmed anyway. SIMPLES!

 

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Originally posted by Sportyteacher

Just shows how snail-like FA is with adjusting to tried and tested and successful technology. Far too many appalling refereeing decisions last season that leads one to conclude that urgent action is required. Cricket has structure in place offering each team chance to appeal thereby going to the 'third umpire' so why not have scope to allow TV referee esp. in Premiership given that all games are filmed anyway. SIMPLES!

VAR is tried and tested and successful? When and where? There have been so many teething pains it isn't funny. they need to get a system that works, which they haven't, before implementing it. Right now they have a system that mimics the NFL's "When is a catch not a catch?" This World Cup will be the true test with VAR decided at the ground rather than a central location. If anything, Sweet Fanny Adams isn't either dragging their heels or rushing in like headless chickens.

 


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