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Originally posted by braunstoneagle

i thought the sell on clauss was 20% would be very suprised if it was 50%


I thought 20% sounds about right.

I just asked someone I know who used to be an agent he said word was Palace was desperate they agreed to 50% because they ended up only paying what united paid for him originally so they say that as great deal

dont know why parish wouldnt just say yes or no unless it is true and he doesnt want to unset people

 


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Originally posted by grumpymort


I thought 20% sounds about right.

I just asked someone I know who used to be an agent he said word was Palace was desperate they agreed to 50% because they ended up only paying what united paid for him originally so they say that as great deal

dont know why parish wouldnt just say yes or no unless it is true and he doesnt want to unset people

but utd paid £10m for him originally & we paid £3m to bring him back to selhurst. 50% makes no sense whatsoever, im no agent granted but ive never in my football supporting life heard of a 50% sell on clause.

 


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Originally posted by braunstoneagle

but utd paid £10m for him originally & we paid £3m to bring him back to selhurst. 50% makes no sense whatsoever, im no agent granted but ive never in my football supporting life heard of a 50% sell on clause.


50% sell on does happen but not really in English game

why do people keep saying Zaha was only 3m he was not we paid a loan fee to begin with then transfer fee plus add on Parish even said United only allowed the deal because it worked out the same as what they paid which was originally around 13m

 


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Originally posted by grumpymort


50% sell on does happen but not really in English game

why do people keep saying Zaha was only 3m he was not we paid a loan fee to begin with then transfer fee plus add on Parish even said United only allowed the deal because it worked out the same as what they paid which was originally around 13m

the parish quotes in this article suggest utd will re-coup their outlay if thr sell on fee covers it.

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Originally posted by braunstoneagle

the parish quotes in this article suggest utd will re-coup their outlay if thr sell on fee covers it.

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That reads to me as initial fee (£10m), less repurchase fee (£3m) (and possibly a loan fee), leaving a balance of £7m maximum, to be recouped from add ons (some of which we may have already paid) and a sell on fee, gives Man U back their £10m. So, at worst we're £7m in the hole.

 


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Originally posted by bexleydave

That reads to me as initial fee (£10m), less repurchase fee (£3m) (and possibly a loan fee), leaving a balance of £7m maximum, to be recouped from add ons (some of which we may have already paid) and a sell on fee, gives Man U back their £10m. So, at worst we're £7m in the hole.

surely right now we will still be in profit with regards to zaha, its if/when we sell we would owe man utd many, many millions

 


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I’d heard 50% sell on fee, admittedly from people that aren’t close to football but god knows who they got it from. Was surprised to hear there is no release clause in his contact either, anyone know if that’s right?

Suspect if we sell which I hope to Christ we don’t, it’ll involve a player swap to f*** over United as I guess they don’t get anything if that happens or at least only 50% of whatever fee in addition to the player swap we get.

Have a feeling we’ll swap him for cheek next season, much as I like RLC, hope I’m wrong and zaha stays forever, certainly hodgsons comments this week give me hope.

 

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Originally posted by Littlebogreek

I’d heard 50% sell on fee, admittedly from people that aren’t close to football but god knows who they got it from. Was surprised to hear there is no release clause in his contact either, anyone know if that’s right?

Suspect if we sell which I hope to Christ we don’t, it’ll involve a player swap to f*** over United as I guess they don’t get anything if that happens or at least only 50% of whatever fee in addition to the player swap we get.

Have a feeling we’ll swap him for cheek next season, much as I like RLC, hope I’m wrong and zaha stays forever, certainly hodgsons comments this week give me hope.

A player swap won't get us very far because clearly the player valuation would be factored in as part of the payment and the stated percentage of that valuation would then be payable.

 


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Originally posted by chateauferret

A player swap won't get us very far because clearly the player valuation would be factored in as part of the payment and the stated percentage of that valuation would then be payable.

You know that or a guess? Genuinely interested as I always understood different but honestly not sure!

 

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Originally posted by chateauferret

A player swap won't get us very far because clearly the player valuation would be factored in as part of the payment and the stated percentage of that valuation would then be payable.

That’s how I understood it

 


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Starring role at Crystal Palace suits Wilfried Zaha more than bit part elsewhere
Sam Wallace
19 AUGUST 2018 • 7:00 AM

Wilfried Zaha once played against Crystal Palace, it came amid that strange period of his career when he was sent on loan by Manchester United to a struggling Cardiff City and that afternoon in April 2014 found himself being booed by the fans of his loan club and cheered by those of the opposition.
If ever there was a sign that the bond was unbreakable between Palace and Zaha, their South London wunderkind who has become one of the leading players in the Premier League then it was that day. By the summer he had returned to Palace on loan and come the January window of the following year his return to Selhurst Park was made permanent – the beginning of the secondary stage of his development which has seen him become the fine player he is today.
There has been no modern career like Zaha's, the protégé who rose and fell and rose again, going back to the place he came from to recharge and draw strength like a character in a Disney epic. Thesigning of his new Palace contract this week, with great interest in him all summer from the likes of Tottenham Hotspur and Chelsea, was another unconventional move in an unconventional career. It does not mean that Zaha will never leave Palace, but it does show that it is possible for clubs outside the top six to hold onto their best players if they really wish to.
It was not just the money that persuaded Zaha to stay although clearly the £130,000 a week five-year contract that the player signed this week will have helped. What made a difference was what Palace convinced their star player they could offer him on the pitch, and what he could not be guaranteed at other, bigger clubs.
It is Zaha’s bad experience at United that is often cited as the reason that he has been persuadable in recent times when it comes to signing new contracts at Palace. He went to United at the end of the 2012-2013 season having signed in January and loaned back to Palace, arriving at Old Trafford as a 20-year-old during United’s great summer of change. He never did play for Sir Alex Ferguson and while the tumult of the David Moyes months evidently took its toll, all that feels a long time ago for player and club.
What Roy Hodgson has been able to offer Zaha is the certainty that Palace is a team which plays for him. He is its centrepiece and the attacking player who is given the most possible scope to do what he does best. It is a role fulfilled at Chelsea by Eden Hazard and, to a lesser extent Harry Kane at Spurs, which in itself proves a point to Zaha. Had he gone there, it was pointed out to him this summer, it would have been as one of many satellites orbiting the star of the show.
Of course, Palace cannot offer Champions League football (neither, it should be said, can Chelsea this season) but they can offer competitive wages as a consequence of the league’s immense wealth and that creative freedom that a player like Zaha thrives on. The best players in the game have always naturally gravitated to the biggest clubs but as Palace and their chairman Steve Parish has shown, that pull is not always irresistible.
Parish himself has become established as one of the league's shrewdest operators and a clear disincentive to any club who thought that they might be able to pry away or unsettle Zaha. The son of Alf Parish, one of the late 20th century’s most prominent negotiators in the GPMU print union that once held such sway in Fleet Street and beyond, Parish has a relationship with his star player that means Zaha has never been prey to influences outside the club. There will always be clubs prepared to test his loyalty, but the strength of the bond between chairman and player means that, at the very least, Palace and Parish have an honest and open communication.
In the end, Palace never had the offer that they could not refuse. As Chelsea wrestled with the issue of moving on from Antonio Conte and Spurs struggled with the challenges of getting their new stadium ready, there simply was no major offer for Zaha, which would have to be a Premier League record even to make Palace think. When Zaha signed his new contract this week, however, it had an impact beyond just seeing off the interest in the player. No wonder Jurgen Klopp described it this week as having the equivalent effect of a “spectacular transfer”.
This time, Zaha has been told that if he does go he should do so as a pre-eminent player at his destination club. As the footballer to replace a Hazard or a Kane rather than to play alongside them, but if he does improve on last season then there will only a few clubs in the world who will be able to afford him. Borussia Dortmund were among those understood to be interested over the summer but they are another whose ultimate aim would be to buy, develop and sell back to the Premier League.
Zaha has, by all accounts, spent much of the summer doing what he loves best – playing football, with friends in London and on holiday in Miami. It is a pity he was not part of the England squad at the World Cup final but that is another story altogether. For the time being his new contract shows other clubs outside the elite that there is a way of keeping their best talent in a market where the differences in wages are compressing as the general willingness to spend enormous fees also reduces.
There is a lot to be said for being the main man at any one club, especially in the Premier League with its intense competitiveness. It is not a privilege that is guaranteed to many.

 


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Bloody brilliant!!!!!
I will be watching from Cornwall - not happy to be missing Wilf scoring the opening goal against the Reds!

 

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