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mattteo 05 Mar 20 6.09pm
Originally posted by Ian-VI I'm not telling you who's better, who's worse or whatever, what I'm telling you is that saying we scored 30, one player scored 15, so without him we'd have scored 15 is simply wrong and makes no sense. Either you played all season with 10 players, or someone else would have played in his place. So those numbers simply have no sense. No, it really is not so, sorry. If there isn't someone this good, the club has much fewer goals. Ok, not 0, but somewhere along those lines. It's hard to find some player who can actually do the same as Zaha and wants to come to Palace. It's hard finding someonw who can do half what Zaha does. And this season was kind of a bad one for him. Huddersfield didn't have such a player and they scored less than 25 goals even though they brought in Alex Pritchard (England U21 international), Tom Ince or Aaron Mooy for their Premier League season. The above suggestions are: Ismaila Sarr- who cost 40 million, so good luck spending that money safely Dwight McNeil- 7 goals and assists in 2800 minutes, definitely less reliable than Zaha and they won't sell him anyway Harvey Barnes- unsellable by Leicester Adama Traore- unsellable by Wolverhampton and cost them a lot too Nicolas Pepe- 60 million signing by Arsenal
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mattteo

05 Mar 20 6.09pm

Originally posted by Ian-VI

I'm not telling you who's better, who's worse or whatever, what I'm telling you is that saying we scored 30, one player scored 15, so without him we'd have scored 15 is simply wrong and makes no sense. Either you played all season with 10 players, or someone else would have played in his place.
So those numbers simply have no sense.

No, it really is not so, sorry.

If there isn't someone this good, the club has much fewer goals. Ok, not 0, but somewhere along those lines. It's hard to find some player who can actually do the same as Zaha and wants to come to Palace. It's hard finding someonw who can do half what Zaha does. And this season was kind of a bad one for him.

Huddersfield didn't have such a player and they scored less than 25 goals even though they brought in Alex Pritchard (England U21 international), Tom Ince or Aaron Mooy for their Premier League season.

The above suggestions are:

Ismaila Sarr- who cost 40 million, so good luck spending that money safely

Dwight McNeil- 7 goals and assists in 2800 minutes, definitely less reliable than Zaha and they won't sell him anyway

Harvey Barnes- unsellable by Leicester

Adama Traore- unsellable by Wolverhampton and cost them a lot too

Nicolas Pepe- 60 million signing by Arsenal

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EddieMac 05 Mar 20 6.37pm
Originally posted by mattteo No, it really is not so, sorry. If there isn't someone this good, the club has much fewer goals. Ok, not 0, but somewhere along those lines. It's hard to find some player who can actually do the same as Zaha and wants to come to Palace. It's hard finding someonw who can do half what Zaha does. And this season was kind of a bad one for him. Huddersfield didn't have such a player and they scored less than 25 goals even though they brought in Alex Pritchard (England U21 international), Tom Ince or Aaron Mooy for their Premier League season. The above suggestions are: Ismaila Sarr- who cost 40 million, so good luck spending that money safely Dwight McNeil- 7 goals and assists in 2800 minutes, definitely less reliable than Zaha and they won't sell him anyway Harvey Barnes- unsellable by Leicester Adama Traore- unsellable by Wolverhampton and cost them a lot too Nicolas Pepe- 60 million signing by Arsenal Take Zaha out of our team and we will play a different way, at the moment everything we do goes through him. If he leaves then we may not sign a player with the same skill set but we may then have a striker who will score 20 odd goals and Zaha's goals will then not be missed. This is all in the future and we are never going to know until it happens.
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EddieMac

05 Mar 20 6.37pm

Originally posted by mattteo

No, it really is not so, sorry.

The above suggestions are:

Ismaila Sarr- who cost 40 million, so good luck spending that money safely

Dwight McNeil- 7 goals and assists in 2800 minutes, definitely less reliable than Zaha and they won't sell him anyway

Harvey Barnes- unsellable by Leicester

Adama Traore- unsellable by Wolverhampton and cost them a lot too

Nicolas Pepe- 60 million signing by Arsenal

Take Zaha out of our team and we will play a different way, at the moment everything we do goes through him. If he leaves then we may not sign a player with the same skill set but we may then have a striker who will score 20 odd goals and Zaha's goals will then not be missed.

This is all in the future and we are never going to know until it happens.

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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 05 Mar 20 6.44pm
Originally posted by EddieMac Take Zaha out of our team and we will play a different way, at the moment everything we do goes through him. If he leaves then we may not sign a player with the same skill set but we may then have a striker who will score 20 odd goals and Zaha's goals will then not be missed. This is all in the future and we are never going to know until it happens. Spot on. Also, no point speculating just yet. First of all, we need to see if anyone will bid for Wilf in the next window and how much. For all we know he may still be with us next season, and if so, hopefully with a better mindset that APPEARS to be the case this season.
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doombear

Too far from Selhurst Park 05 Mar 20 6.44pm

Originally posted by EddieMac

This is all in the future and we are never going to know until it happens.

Spot on. Also, no point speculating just yet. First of all, we need to see if anyone will bid for Wilf in the next window and how much. For all we know he may still be with us next season, and if so, hopefully with a better mindset that APPEARS to be the case this season.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Mar 20 6.47pm
Originally posted by EddieMac Take Zaha out of our team and we will play a different way, at the moment everything we do goes through him. If he leaves then we may not sign a player with the same skill set but we may then have a striker who will score 20 odd goals and Zaha's goals will then not be missed. This is all in the future and we are never going to know until it happens. Statistics I perused recently showed that 44% of our attacks were from the left-hand side.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Mar 20 6.47pm

Originally posted by EddieMac

Take Zaha out of our team and we will play a different way, at the moment everything we do goes through him. If he leaves then we may not sign a player with the same skill set but we may then have a striker who will score 20 odd goals and Zaha's goals will then not be missed.

This is all in the future and we are never going to know until it happens.

Statistics I perused recently showed that 44% of our attacks were from the left-hand side.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Mar 20 6.53pm
Originally posted by mattteo No, it really is not so, sorry. If there isn't someone this good, the club has much fewer goals. Ok, not 0, but somewhere along those lines. It's hard to find some player who can actually do the same as Zaha and wants to come to Palace. It's hard finding someonw who can do half what Zaha does. And this season was kind of a bad one for him. Huddersfield didn't have such a player and they scored less than 25 goals even though they brought in Alex Pritchard (England U21 international), Tom Ince or Aaron Mooy for their Premier League season. The above suggestions are: Ismaila Sarr- who cost 40 million, so good luck spending that money safely Dwight McNeil- 7 goals and assists in 2800 minutes, definitely less reliable than Zaha and they won't sell him anyway Harvey Barnes- unsellable by Leicester Adama Traore- unsellable by Wolverhampton and cost them a lot too Nicolas Pepe- 60 million signing by Arsenal Thse figures are at variance with my understanding of the fees involved. My understanding is that Sarr cost �27 Mill and Pepe �72 Mill. Apropos Traore, my understanding is that Wolves paid �18 Mill for his services which in PL terms is not a great deal of money.He is worth far,far more now!
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Mar 20 6.53pm

Originally posted by mattteo

No, it really is not so, sorry.

The above suggestions are:

Ismaila Sarr- who cost 40 million, so good luck spending that money safely

Dwight McNeil- 7 goals and assists in 2800 minutes, definitely less reliable than Zaha and they won't sell him anyway

Harvey Barnes- unsellable by Leicester

Adama Traore- unsellable by Wolverhampton and cost them a lot too

Nicolas Pepe- 60 million signing by Arsenal

Thse figures are at variance with my understanding of the fees involved.
My understanding is that Sarr cost �27 Mill and Pepe �72 Mill.
Apropos Traore, my understanding is that Wolves paid �18 Mill for his services which in PL terms is not a great deal of money.He is worth far,far more now!

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PatrickA London 05 Mar 20 7.15pm
I�m one of Wilf�s biggest fans, but the fact is we�ve attained 36 points this season with minimal contribution from him. I know it can be argued he keeps opposing defences occupied , but in my view this has been his least effective season in a Palace shirt. To a certain extent you can say he hasn�t been helped by our defensive tactics or the fact that he�s often surrounded by three defenders. But I can�t be alone in noticing he�s often not even beating players one on one which is usually a major strength of his. He doesn�t seem to be playing with much joy this season and often seems aloof. None of this lessens my admiration for him as a player but I can�t be blind to his form this season.
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PatrickA

London 05 Mar 20 7.15pm

I�m one of Wilf�s biggest fans, but the fact is we�ve attained 36 points this season with minimal contribution from him.
I know it can be argued he keeps opposing defences occupied , but in my view this has been his least effective season in a Palace shirt.
To a certain extent you can say he hasn�t been helped by our defensive tactics or the fact that he�s often surrounded by three defenders.
But I can�t be alone in noticing he�s often not even beating players one on one which is usually a major strength of his.
He doesn�t seem to be playing with much joy this season and often seems aloof.
None of this lessens my admiration for him as a player but I can�t be blind to his form this season.

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cryrst The garden of England 05 Mar 20 7.19pm
Originally posted by Willo Statistics I perused recently showed that 44% of our attacks were from the left-hand side. And 56% from other areas. How many goals from that 44% though willo. If its upwards of 60% then yes but it may be that only 25% finished in goals. You the man willo. Fill your boots
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cryrst

The garden of England 05 Mar 20 7.19pm

Originally posted by Willo

Statistics I perused recently showed that 44% of our attacks were from the left-hand side.

And 56% from other areas.
How many goals from that 44% though willo.
If its upwards of 60% then yes but it may be that only 25% finished in goals.
You the man willo.
Fill your boots

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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 05 Mar 20 7.36pm
Originally posted by doombear Spot on. Also, no point speculating just yet. First of all, we need to see if anyone will bid for Wilf in the next window and how much. For all we know he may still be with us next season, and if so, hopefully with a better mindset that APPEARS to be the case this season. THAN APPEARS to be the case this season.
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doombear

Too far from Selhurst Park 05 Mar 20 7.36pm

Originally posted by doombear

THAN APPEARS to be the case this season.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Mar 20 7.45pm
Originally posted by cryrst And 56% from other areas. How many goals from that 44% though willo. If its upwards of 60% then yes but it may be that only 25% finished in goals. You the man willo. Fill your boots I readily admit not to have researched such detailed statistics. My focus at this moment is to get 'Togged up' to go for a jolly tipple!!!!
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Mar 20 7.45pm

Originally posted by cryrst

And 56% from other areas.
How many goals from that 44% though willo.
If its upwards of 60% then yes but it may be that only 25% finished in goals.
You the man willo.
Fill your boots

I readily admit not to have researched such detailed statistics.
My focus at this moment is to get 'Togged up' to go for a jolly tipple!!!!

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cryrst The garden of England 05 Mar 20 7.48pm
Originally posted by Willo I readily admit not to have researched such detailed statistics. My focus at this moment is to get 'Togged up' to go for a jolly tipple!!!! Good boy Hope you have a lovely evening with plenty of vino. Does mrs willo have an invite.
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cryrst

The garden of England 05 Mar 20 7.48pm

Originally posted by Willo

I readily admit not to have researched such detailed statistics.
My focus at this moment is to get 'Togged up' to go for a jolly tipple!!!!

Good boy
Hope you have a lovely evening with plenty of vino.
Does mrs willo have an invite.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Mar 20 7.59pm
Originally posted by cryrst Good boy Hope you have a lovely evening with plenty of vino. Does mrs willo have an invite. Thank you very much. Very kind of you. Indeed Mrs Willo will be accompanying me to keep me in check!
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Mar 20 7.59pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Good boy
Hope you have a lovely evening with plenty of vino.
Does mrs willo have an invite.

Thank you very much.
Very kind of you.
Indeed Mrs Willo will be accompanying me to keep me in check!

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Vaibow vancouver/croydon 06 Mar 20 1.05am
Originally posted by EddieMac Take Zaha out of our team and we will play a different way, at the moment everything we do goes through him. If he leaves then we may not sign a player with the same skill set but we may then have a striker who will score 20 odd goals and Zaha's goals will then not be missed. This is all in the future and we are never going to know until it happens. This was my mindset in the summer just gone, I thought to myself, ok, we'll sell Zaha this summer, and buy a goal scorer that suited our style. Basically like for like in terms goal return, obviously different styles and hopefully lower wages. Then consolidate mid table and a good cup run, sell AWB next summer and replace with two people. But AWB went first, so I thought - screw it, sell them both, 2 out, 100 mil in, allows us to get in 4/5 players. I had high hopes we had targets identified, with a plan b that was just as suitable. This was once a quality forum....
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Vaibow

vancouver/croydon 06 Mar 20 1.05am

Originally posted by EddieMac

This is all in the future and we are never going to know until it happens.

This was my mindset in the summer just gone, I thought to myself, ok, we'll sell Zaha this summer, and buy a goal scorer that suited our style.
Basically like for like in terms goal return, obviously different styles and hopefully lower wages.
Then consolidate mid table and a good cup run, sell AWB next summer and replace with two people.

But AWB went first, so I thought - screw it, sell them both, 2 out, 100 mil in, allows us to get in 4/5 players. I had high hopes we had targets identified, with a plan b that was just as suitable.

This was once a quality forum....

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