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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So you think we are like United?

Try thinking harder. It might save you writing daft posts.

No, I don't think we are like Utd.
I do however believe that we are a club that, if they have a talent like AWB who is wanted by a big side it is futile to stand in their way.
I also believe that the money could/should be used to bring the standard of the rest of the squad up. I don't see the point in having the best right back in the world, and the rest of the team being bang average.
What would you do, just keep upping the wages of players like AWB until they bankrupt the club? If that's what you call 'thinking harder' then you can keep it.

 

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Hrolf is not for changing. His view of how cpfc should operate is the complete opposite of his political view of fiscal prudence.

It is not the selling of who he views as a world class full back who’s done very little over the halfway line that’s the issue. It’s what came after that’s the issue.

Hrolf wants us to never sell anyone. Unfortunately that’s unrealistic for a club of our size and it’s all bordering on teenage fantasy. I get the frustration but if he was in Parish’s position, not necessarily the yanks’, he’d do the same, and he knows it. Managers can afford to hold the same view. Chairmen and owners can’t.

 


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Originally posted by stuckinbristol

No, I don't think we are like Utd.
I do however believe that we are a club that, if they have a talent like AWB who is wanted by a big side it is futile to stand in their way.
I also believe that the money could/should be used to bring the standard of the rest of the squad up. I don't see the point in having the best right back in the world, and the rest of the team being bang average.
What would you do, just keep upping the wages of players like AWB until they bankrupt the club? If that's what you call 'thinking harder' then you can keep it.

AWB was on a low wage and none of us know if we even offered higher wages to stay. We also spent virtually nothing on transfers so we did not reinvest the money. Seems depressing that the money serviced our debts.
Whilst I don't agree that simply selling AWB was a disaster, I do think that it is criminal that we didn't get a half decent replacement. Is Ward going to play 38 league games? He's a decent player but he needs more cover than Kelly - who is really a centre back.
No doubt we will do the same with Wilf too. There won't even be a Ward to cover.

 


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Originally posted by ASCPFC

AWB was on a low wage and none of us know if we even offered higher wages to stay. We also spent virtually nothing on transfers so we did not reinvest the money. Seems depressing that the money serviced our debts.
Whilst I don't agree that simply selling AWB was a disaster, I do think that it is criminal that we didn't get a half decent replacement. Is Ward going to play 38 league games? He's a decent player but he needs more cover than Kelly - who is really a centre back.


No doubt we will do the same with Wilf too. There won't even be a Ward to cover.

I appreciate that AWB was on low wages, how long would that have lasted if he knew he could get 100K/week elsewhere?

 

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Originally posted by stuckinbristol

No, I don't think we are like Utd.
I do however believe that we are a club that, if they have a talent like AWB who is wanted by a big side it is futile to stand in their way.
I also believe that the money could/should be used to bring the standard of the rest of the squad up. I don't see the point in having the best right back in the world, and the rest of the team being bang average.
What would you do, just keep upping the wages of players like AWB until they bankrupt the club? If that's what you call 'thinking harder' then you can keep it.

So your United comparison was rubbish

You think AWB was pushing for a move? I doubt it. We wanted the money.
If you think that money will be reinvested in the squad then you have not been paying attention.

The reasons for the sale do not alter the fact that it has weakened the team, as I said, but it does indicate that we have reached our limits for improvement, as I said.
We are now relying on loans and cheap aging or sick note players

 

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Originally posted by ASCPFC

AWB was on a low wage and none of us know if we even offered higher wages to stay. We also spent virtually nothing on transfers so we did not reinvest the money. Seems depressing that the money serviced our debts.
Whilst I don't agree that simply selling AWB was a disaster, I do think that it is criminal that we didn't get a half decent replacement. Is Ward going to play 38 league games? He's a decent player but he needs more cover than Kelly - who is really a centre back.
No doubt we will do the same with Wilf too. There won't even be a Ward to cover.

I agree on the usual parish way of not having cover for RB. I doubt we’d do the same after selling Zaha, but you never know. Parish has as much knowledge on football as on one of the Strictly Come Dancing judges.

 


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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Hrolf is not for changing. His view of how cpfc should operate is the complete opposite of his political view of fiscal prudence.

It is not the selling of who he views as a world class full back who’s done very little over the halfway line that’s the issue. It’s what came after that’s the issue.

Hrolf wants us to never sell anyone. Unfortunately that’s unrealistic for a club of our size and it’s all bordering on teenage fantasy. I get the frustration but if he was in Parish’s position, not necessarily the yanks’, he’d do the same, and he knows it. Managers can afford to hold the same view. Chairmen and owners can’t.

You must have been a very boring teenager.

 

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Originally posted by ASCPFC

AWB was on a low wage and none of us know if we even offered higher wages to stay. We also spent virtually nothing on transfers so we did not reinvest the money. Seems depressing that the money serviced our debts.
Whilst I don't agree that simply selling AWB was a disaster, I do think that it is criminal that we didn't get a half decent replacement. Is Ward going to play 38 league games? He's a decent player but he needs more cover than Kelly - who is really a centre back.
No doubt we will do the same with Wilf too. There won't even be a Ward to cover.

I feel your pain as well and I'm sure the majority of Palace fans will also feel it. It will be interesting to see if we struggle up to Jan (which may well happen as we have a lot of top half teams from last season to play in the first 15 games or so) whether some cash will come.

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So your United comparison was rubbish

You think AWB was pushing for a move? I doubt it. We wanted the money.
If you think that money will be reinvested in the squad then you have not been paying attention.

The reasons for the sale do not alter the fact that it has weakened the team, as I said, but it does indicate that we have reached our limits for improvement, as I said.
We are now relying on loans and cheap aging or sick note players

I would suggest then that there is more going on behind the scenes that either you or I know.
Do you honestly believe that SP is enjoying selling our best players?
Do you think, as a fan, he would want us to be as good as possible?
Maybe he is not a fan at all, and he just likes messing with our minds, and watching the meltdown on here.
I have been supporting Palace since I was a little kid, and have taken a lot of s**t for it from every angle. Is that going to make me support the team less, is a crap (I'm not suggesting SP is)chairman/owner/manager going to? Nope

Somethings we just can't change, and the position that Palace find themselves in at the moment is one of them.Having said that being a mid table prem team for the last 7 years isn't too shabby.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So your United comparison was rubbish

You think AWB was pushing for a move? I doubt it. We wanted the money.
If you think that money will be reinvested in the squad then you have not been paying attention.

The reasons for the sale do not alter the fact that it has weakened the team, as I said, but it does indicate that we have reached our limits for improvement, as I said.
We are now relying on loans and cheap aging or sick note players

1. You think AWB and his agent wouldn’t push for a move to the biggest club in the world on £80k or whatever per week and prefer to stay and play in front of the main stand? Yeah right. Have a look at his latest Instagram posts. Actually don’t. It’s too upsetting how much players love it elsewhere.

2. We bid for several players but wouldn’t go to £20 mil and Clyne got injured. As much as I dislike it, we’re probably biding our time for value because ward isn’t long term.

3. We could’ve bought a right back that wouldn’t have significantly weakened the team. It’s right back, not CB, def mid, midfield, centre forward or anywhere through the spine of the team. PVA has been shocking at LB for a year. Has the team and club crumbled to the point of extinction? No.

Your last sentence is amusing. ‘We are now relying on loans and cheap aging or sick note players.’ In the summer this is exactly what you were saying we should do. Keep everyone here until buyers come in and save us (take us to fantasy land), and in the meantime only loan players in we need. Striker, anyone creative. That is exactly what you were suggesting and now you’re slating it because you’re so married to this AWB opinion you’re either willing to contradict yourself and rubbish your original opinions, or you just can’t remember what you’ve said because you’ll never let go of selling AWB will destroy cpfc.

I respect a lot of your opinions on politics and current affairs but on this subject you’re being quite similar to an ideological and illogical leftie, where again, they are not, and will not, hopefully, ever be given the reigns to be in the position. Because as we saw with the Lib Dem’s, opposition is easy, power isn’t.

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You must have been a very boring teenager.

Is that your best?

I started drinking and traveling the country watching Palace at 13 and got into pubs and nightclubs at 16.

I get your frustration. I’m seriously unimpressed with no RB cover, and more so if ward gets injured. But this is real life. Not a board game you walk away from for lunch or when you’ve done your bollox on pretend money.

 


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Originally posted by Booted Eagle

I feel your pain as well and I'm sure the majority of Palace fans will also feel it. It will be interesting to see if we struggle up to Jan (which may well happen as we have a lot of top half teams from last season to play in the first 15 games or so) whether some cash will come.

But we should play all of them by 4 games later after 19 games.

Cpfc like to keep something aside for jan in case there’s a different position of urgency, but looking at the squad there isn’t, unless it’s winger or striker, but I doubt we’ll be buying a striker yet.

 


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