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 Stirlingsays  21 Apr 18 10.07am |
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While the state might have mucked up here surely there is a part responsibility on any unfairly deported human being (who isn't intellectually abnormal) to ensure that they themselves have documentation. If you just step off the boat or airplane and think that's it and that you are assured permanent residence in a foreign land yet have no papers stating such then you are an idiot.
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 becky over the moon 21 Apr 18 11.39am |
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Latest seems to be that not all the landing documents were shredded - they are in the National Archive - well tens of thousands of them found so far......
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| Badger11 Beckenham 21 Apr 18 11.44am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
While the state might have mucked up here surely there is a part responsibility on any unfairly deported human being (who isn't intellectually abnormal) to ensure that they themselves have documentation. If you just step off the boat or airplane and think that's it and that you are assured permanent residence in a foreign land yet have no papers stating such then you are an idiot. Its not just the foreigners. I just heard a home grown idiot on LBC bitching about our intolerant government. He then whined because even though born here he doesn't have any documentation so if he had to prove it (he hadsn't been asked) he couldn't. Quite rightly the presenter told he it was down to him to regularise his documentation. He claimed he couldn't apply for a passport or a job because of it. I bet he managed to claim benefits though. Windrush is a specific issue but as Stirlingsays you have to take some personal responsibility.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 21 Apr 18 12.07pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Its not just the foreigners. I just heard a home grown idiot on LBC bitching about our intolerant government. He then whined because even though born here he doesn't have any documentation so if he had to prove it (he hadsn't been asked) he couldn't. Quite rightly the presenter told he it was down to him to regularise his documentation. He claimed he couldn't apply for a passport or a job because of it. I bet he managed to claim benefits though. Windrush is a specific issue but as Stirlingsays you have to take some personal responsibility. The Windrush generation trusted the mother country and are completely blameless.
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| Stirlingsays 21 Apr 18 12.12pm |
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Originally posted by becky
It'll be ok - we pay them the compensation and then send the bills to THEIR High Commissions/Embassies/Consulates, whose job it is to look after the rights of their citizens abroad Yep, in a parallel universe where the Tory party had leaders with balls....Since Thatcher it's been one long procession of wimps in trousers....or the current feminist one in the occasional skirt. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Apr 2018 12.27pm)
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| Stirlingsays 21 Apr 18 12.19pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The Windrush generation trusted the mother country and are completely blameless. It isn't their 'mother country' that's the one they are born in. Everyone has personal responsibility. If you relocate to another country any person with two brain cells knows you require documentation. Not to have any is a mark of irresponsible stupidity. You offer excuses for them but yet none for the administrations. Excuses from a politics that's full of excuses and finger pointing at anything else except taking personal responsibility. If you are so accepting of stupidity you shouldn't be so inconsistent about where it comes from.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 21 Apr 18 12.39pm |
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She added: These people are British. They are part of us; they helped to build Britain and we are all the stronger for their contributions.. Mrs May, admitting that the Windrush people are British.
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| Stirlingsays 21 Apr 18 12.46pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
She added: These people are British. They are part of us; they helped to build Britain and we are all the stronger for their contributions.. Mrs May, admitting that the Windrush people are British. I know the concept may be difficult for you but you can become 'British'. You can move from the country you were born in (hence mother country) and move to and take on that new nationality. It isn't the same as having lived here for generations but we have to accept some equalization at some point. Allegiance is what matters. If a person does that in good faith and works hard I have no objection to them gaining that acceptance. I have a problem with the ones who use my nationality as a flag of convenience.....Both them and the fifth columnists are as bad as each other. Outside of that.....I really couldn't give two figs what May thinks about nationality. She is an embarrassment to the grass roots of the Tory party and only there to keep a internal coalition together before Brexit. The party won't allow her anywhere near an election ballot box again. I can't stand the woman. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Apr 2018 12.48pm)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 21 Apr 18 1.06pm |
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She said those in detention must be released and those who had been removed must be invited to come back and be compensated by the government. Think what it means: you are separated from your families and your friends, you are separated often from your healthcare treatment. You are humiliated. And they did not care that they were humiliating people who helped to rebuild this country after the second world war.. There may be some compensation, and possibly relaxation of the hostile immigration policy,but like Grenfell the PM will be moving on out of range swiftly. That Windrush people are British her spokesperson has confirmed that is their legal status.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 21 Apr 18 5.26pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The Windrush generation trusted the mother country and are completely blameless. FFS.
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cryrst  The garden of England 21 Apr 18 8.00pm |
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So finding those papers must mean loads of people don't need a ton of our dough( and theirs) for anxiety then.
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| m/k mick milton keynes 22 Apr 18 10.08pm |
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Is it not possible to use census records, a census has been taken every ten years, the Windrush arrived in 1948 , so 51-61-71 and so on should show when people arrived, Ancestry access these records, why cant the government
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