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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 02 May 18 1.48pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Phil’s Barber


Big Sam is most certainly interested in the money,

So what? All football professionals are interested in the money or why else would Wilf Zaha have to be offered a huge pay rise when he still had several years left on his contract.

 

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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

So what? All football professionals are interested in the money or why else would Wilf Zaha have to be offered a huge pay rise when he still had several years left on his contract.


I’ve explained the ‘so what’ bit in my previous posts.

It should be obvious as to the crux of this but if you’re struggling to understand, let me put it another way.

Sam doesn’t give two hoots that he left Palace. He didn’t leave to spend more time with his family, he fell out with Parish in the meeting to discuss plans for the forthcoming season.

He did it with us, he did it the previous year at Sunderland and he’ll do it again at Everton.

He doesn’t like the demands of 24/7 management in football any more. He said so when he left us in May last year.

He is happier having the close season ‘off’ and picking up the pieces at a struggling PL team mid way through the season.

His motivation isn’t the size of the so called club, it’s the size of the remuneration, and thus back to my original point that I don’t believe he’ll be particularly bothered about leaving Everton in the circumstances.

He was reported to have collected a £2 Million bonus for keeping us up. On top of his Salary! It’s a win win for Sam, without all the aggro.

He’d take over at Billericay if the package were worth more to him than managing (insert name of Premier League team here).

And the Everton fans know it! Hence the lack of respect, lack of confidence in him and a significant amount of animosity shown towards him,

Edited by Phil’s Barber (02 May 2018 8.08pm)

 

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View Stuk's Profile Stuk Flag Top half 02 May 18 8.14pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by Phil’s Barber


I’ve explained the ‘so what’ bit in my previous posts.

It should be obvious as to the crux of this but if you’re struggling to understand, let me put it another way.

Sam doesn’t give two hoots that he left Palace. He didn’t leave to spend more time with his family, he fell out with Parish in the meeting to discuss plans for the forthcoming season.

He did it with us, he did it the previous year at Sunderland and he’ll do it again at Everton.

He doesn’t like the demands of 24/7 management in football any more. He said so when he left us in May last year.

He is happier having the close season ‘off’ and picking up the pieces at a struggling PL team mid way through the season.

His motivation isn’t the size of the so called club, it’s the size of the remuneration, and thus back to my original point that I don’t believe he’ll be particularly bothered about leaving Everton in the circumstances.

He was reported to have collected a £2 Million bonus for keeping us up. On top of his Salary! It’s a win win for Sam, without all the aggro.

He’d take over at Billericay if the package were worth more to him than managing (insert name of Premier League team here).

And the Everton fans know it! Hence the lack of respect, lack of confidence in him and a significant amount of animosity shown towards him,

Edited by Phil’s Barber (02 May 2018 8.08pm)

He had to pay us that £2m back to take the Everton job.

 


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View Phil’s Barber's Profile Phil’s Barber Flag Crowborough 02 May 18 9.40pm Send a Private Message to Phil’s Barber Add Phil’s Barber as a friend

Did he really? That is very interesting.

I wonder exactly how much he did pay us back and what Everton offered him as compensation for that clause.

Edited by Phil’s Barber (02 May 2018 9.45pm)

 

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View Stuk's Profile Stuk Flag Top half 02 May 18 10.54pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by Phil’s Barber

Did he really? That is very interesting.

I wonder exactly how much he did pay us back and what Everton offered him as compensation for that clause.

Edited by Phil’s Barber (02 May 2018 9.45pm)

He really did.

All £2m, whether he paid it or Everton reimbursed him for it I, and probably the club, couldn't care less.

 


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chateauferret Flag 03 May 18 2.15am

Originally posted by Stuk

He really did.

All £2m, whether he paid it or Everton reimbursed him for it I, and probably the club, couldn't care less.

Basically free money.

Everton were always going to get out of the s*** with any decent manager and those players so when they took Allardyce that stopped him from going to someone like Stoke or West Brom who might have avoided relegation with a manager like him. They both ended up appointing muppets instead. And Allardyce was bound to re-enter the fray somewhere eventually.

Edited by chateauferret (03 May 2018 2.16am)

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 03 May 18 6.04am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Phil’s Barber


It should be obvious as to the crux of this but if you’re struggling to understand, let me put it another way.

I always assume that when someone throws in the "if you’re struggling to understand" insult they have basically lost the argument and have to resort to insults instead.

What I do understand is that your blind hatred of the man over rules "facts" and you are just making it up as you go along.

Whatever the real reasons for Sam leaving us I will always be grateful to him for saving us from relegation

 

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chateauferret Flag 03 May 18 7.49am

Originally posted by Phil’s Barber


I’ve explained the ‘so what’ bit in my previous posts.

It should be obvious as to the crux of this but if you’re struggling to understand, let me put it another way.

Sam doesn’t give two hoots that he left Palace. He didn’t leave to spend more time with his family, he fell out with Parish in the meeting to discuss plans for the forthcoming season.

He did it with us, he did it the previous year at Sunderland and he’ll do it again at Everton.

He doesn’t like the demands of 24/7 management in football any more. He said so when he left us in May last year.

He is happier having the close season ‘off’ and picking up the pieces at a struggling PL team mid way through the season.


Sam and Parish didn't "fall out" in the meeting; he went in and the first thing he said was that he needed to leave and Parish was gobsmacked. Now it's possible of course that the two of them were telling a white lie about that but there's no evidence whatsoever.

Allardyce is an expert in avoiding relegation. WHen he was appoointed, Parish said, "There's nobody better at making sure a club doesn't go down". That's the specialism he brings and the price he charges for it is pretty fair given the financial damage relegation causes.

Now are you saying he left because he "doesn't like the demands of 24/7 management" any more or that he "fell out with Parish in the meeting"? You can't have it both ways.

 


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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 03 May 18 8.08am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Any road....I’m putting my trust in Sam to guide his team to victory over Southampton on Saturday. I can’t see him letting Everton ease up, given the flak he is taking at the moment.

 


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Even after spending vast sums of money Everton struggled.

But its worse because they are always in the shadow of Liverpool.

Koemans was glad to see the back of them and I think BS won't be bothered either.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 03 May 18 8.27am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I always assume that when someone throws in the "if you’re struggling to understand" insult they have basically lost the argument and have to resort to insults instead.

What I do understand is that your blind hatred of the man over rules "facts" and you are just making it up as you go along.

Whatever the real reasons for Sam leaving us I will always be grateful to him for saving us from relegation

I am of the same opinion.

We were 17th when he joined us and we lost 4 of his first 5 games in charge.There was also that 4-0 debacle at home to Sunderland.In the end we finished in 14th place.A masterful appointment by Parish and well done to 'Big Sam'.

 

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Originally posted by chateauferret

Sam and Parish didn't "fall out" in the meeting; he went in and the first thing he said was that he needed to leave and Parish was gobsmacked. Now it's possible of course that the two of them were telling a white lie about that but there's no evidence whatsoever.

Allardyce is an expert in avoiding relegation. WHen he was appoointed, Parish said, "There's nobody better at making sure a club doesn't go down". That's the specialism he brings and the price he charges for it is pretty fair given the financial damage relegation causes.

Now are you saying he left because he "doesn't like the demands of 24/7 management" any more or that he "fell out with Parish in the meeting"? You can't have it both ways.


You will find Sam own words said he didn't want the 24/7 management anymore which is why if the right international job came up he would take it but he took the Everton job because it was too good to not take plus they got £££ and lot of quality players

He clearly was not happy with SP he didn't want another relegation battle which again he said this but again we see SP was not willing to give £ so he walked same case with TP clear pattern but both are pro so they stated it was mutual

The other thing before Sam walked he even said he wasn't happy about plans being put in place without him like that pre season setup which he was no happy about.

 


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