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lindzay  10 May 18 4.01am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I can't see this vote loser ever coming into being as whichever party introduces it will lose the next election. I'm also blowed if I am going to pay extra tax just so that some 25 year old knife wielding drug dealer can have a bonus courtesy of me or some spoilt rich kid who needs new wheels for his Merc.
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 Midlands Eagle  10 May 18 5.59am |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Despite the combined might of the brains who regularly post here, who regularly have an answer for everything, not one response to the real reason we face the problems that we have for years now. Good luck peeps. The answer is probably twofold as firstly advances in medical science have meant that people are living longer and being much more of a drain on the country's piggybank and secondly we haven't had a decent world war to trim the excess population for decades
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| Badger11 Beckenham 10 May 18 8.39am |
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Taxing pensioners will not solve the problems of young people getting onto the property ladder. I am afraid I am a bit of a leftie when it comes to housing policy. The Tories could steal a match on Corbyn by looking at some of these ideas and being brave: - Ban foreign companies from buying residential properties. Many countries in Europe already do this. If Mr Wang lives in the UK and wants to own his home, fine. Its the Wang corporation of China who buy a block of flats or Mr Wang who lives in China I have a problem with. - I would discourage the Buy To Let Market through taxation. I know that it has already started but it distorts the market and prices the average person out of a home. - Ban / reform short term 6 month leases. Where possible these should be replaced with 5 year leases with built in rent increases e.g. Year 1 you pay X, year 2 X+1. -Abolish Stamp Duty for first time buyers and double it for Buy To Let. - Encourage Pension funds and banks through tax breaks to become socially responsible landlords. This already happens in some European countries. The attraction is that a pension funds gets a guaranteed rate of return and the renter has a decent landlord. This is a massively untapped market and if unlocked could build many homes with minimal impact on the taxpayer. These are just a few ideas and would have far more impact on a 25yo than a 10k bung stolen from a small number of working pensioners.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 10 May 18 10.16am |
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Half of that is implemented already. With property, the prices are controlled by supply and demand. So cut immigration and build more housing would be the more effective solution.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 10 May 18 12.04pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Half of that is implemented already. With property, the prices are controlled by supply and demand. So cut immigration and build more housing would be the more effective solution. Yet most of what they do is stimulate demand.
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| Stirlingsays 10 May 18 12.10pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
The answer is probably twofold as firstly advances in medical science have meant that people are living longer and being much more of a drain on the country's piggybank and secondly we haven't had a decent world war to trim the excess population for decades Yes people living longer is a factor but it is a lesser one to immigration. When you analyse the data on birth rates in the UK you find that a British women on average produces 1.81 children. Anything below 2 is obviously a decline in population. Hence automatically the drain caused by 'excess population' isn't a problem coming from this country at all. There is also a difference in the birth rates of different groups in the Uk with women of immigrant backgrounds being markedly higher than UK women. So attributing excess population levels on a lowering of the death rate is very much a narrow focus upon the issue. The population level of this country is entirely the result of poor political decisions with a lack of will to confront controversial topics.....as usual kicking it down the road and hoping it all just goes away. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 May 2018 12.14pm)
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| Lyons550 Shirley 10 May 18 2.26pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Actually my daughter DID have to go to be able to follow the path she wanted to.. yes it was her choice. How do you think youngsters today will get on the property ladder without a decent income (which they will not get now without a degree)? Are you saying that if they choose to pursue a career which involves going to University, it's tough that they accrue so much debt? Nice view,
I fully take on board yours and EDN's comments about being almost no choice other than the Uni route (because the schools get funding based on exam success, which then feeds the beast).
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| the.universal 10 May 18 8.18pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yes people living longer is a factor but it is a lesser one to immigration. When you analyse the data on birth rates in the UK you find that a British women on average produces 1.81 children. Anything below 2 is obviously a decline in population. Hence automatically the drain caused by 'excess population' isn't a problem coming from this country at all. There is also a difference in the birth rates of different groups in the Uk with women of immigrant backgrounds being markedly higher than UK women. So attributing excess population levels on a lowering of the death rate is very much a narrow focus upon the issue. The population level of this country is entirely the result of poor political decisions with a lack of will to confront controversial topics.....as usual kicking it down the road and hoping it all just goes away. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 May 2018 12.14pm) People living longer accounts for 45% of the increase in UK population, so it’s far from trivial. Source: ONS. [Link] Your post also sums up an excellent reason why pensioners should be pro immigration, who else is going to pay our pensions. See: Japan pensions crisis for further reading.
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leifandersonshair  Newport 10 May 18 8.38pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yes people living longer is a factor but it is a lesser one to immigration. When you analyse the data on birth rates in the UK you find that a British women on average produces 1.81 children. Anything below 2 is obviously a decline in population. Hence automatically the drain caused by 'excess population' isn't a problem coming from this country at all. There is also a difference in the birth rates of different groups in the Uk with women of immigrant backgrounds being markedly higher than UK women. So attributing excess population levels on a lowering of the death rate is very much a narrow focus upon the issue. The population level of this country is entirely the result of poor political decisions with a lack of will to confront controversial topics.....as usual kicking it down the road and hoping it all just goes away. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 May 2018 12.14pm) Not unlike your own myopic focus on immigration, immigration, immigration, then? The average GP surgery is far more likely to be packed out with the elderly than immigrants- although at the other end of the scale, the average school is more likely to feel the pressure of immigration. Although, even there, the severe staff shortages are a multi layered issue in the profession which have as much to do with school overcrowding as anything else.
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| johnfirewall 10 May 18 9.37pm |
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So it's just selfish old cnuts who ruined it for the young with Brexit, so will now subsidise their low paid creative jobs and rent in Shoreditch.
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| Stirlingsays 11 May 18 10.01am |
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Originally posted by the.universal
People living longer accounts for 45% of the increase in UK population, so it’s far from trivial. Source: ONS. [Link] Your post also sums up an excellent reason why pensioners should be pro immigration, who else is going to pay our pensions. See: Japan pensions crisis for further reading. I've said that the higher life expectancy is a factor. I don't see where you get the 45 percent figure. Japan doesn't want immigrants who can stay and bring their families and draw benefits. They know that if they allow that then they will lose their Japanese identity over time. Using the solution of increasing population size by using young foreigners doesn't make sense. It's a ponzi scheme. Immigrants get old too. You have to continually be adding more and more immigrants to pay for the system....it's unsustainable. It's an obvious logical flaw. So no, immigration isn't the answer. But politicians are always attracted to short term answers (or they are ideologically flawed) Automation is the answer that will most likely solve this problem for Japan and it won't have the disastrous social cohesion and cost problems that the philosophies of people like you have left us with. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 May 2018 10.11am)
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| Stirlingsays 11 May 18 10.07am |
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Originally posted by leifandersonshair
Not unlike your own myopic focus on immigration, immigration, immigration, then? Not really. High immigration is a problem that can be solved. Higher life expectancy is an indicator of societal success and is a problem you'd rather have than not. Originally posted by leifandersonshair
The average GP surgery is far more likely to be packed out with the elderly than immigrants- although at the other end of the scale, the average school is more likely to feel the pressure of immigration. Although, even there, the severe staff shortages are a multi layered issue in the profession which have as much to do with school overcrowding as anything else. Higher immigration has stressed services in multiple ways. Like I said in a previous post. It's a ponzi scheme that just worsens the situation and underlying problem.
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