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Stirlingsays 08 May 18 2.43pm
Originally posted by cryrst I don't really care for this guys political persuasion. But this policy fits with a certain socialist policy Make everyone equal Either equally poor or equally rich I fear the first would be the outcome. Although pensioners are now generally net takers of their contributions to the social sack of dosh. I blame the whole stay healthy and live to a 100 mantra. Wtf has it got to do with anyone if I want to eat bad drink bad and smoke. My time will be early so I will go and have been a net contributer. We all got it coming for sure. I remember reading somewhere that even if you work all your working life that on average you use up that working contribution in something like 7-10 years.....with most being closer to 7.....and most of the country don't work all their working years. Let's hope that coming automation sorts all this out eh. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 May 2018 2.44pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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08 May 18 2.43pm

Originally posted by cryrst

I don't really care for this guys political persuasion.
But this policy fits with a certain socialist policy

Make everyone equal
Either equally poor or equally rich
I fear the first would be the outcome.

Although pensioners are now generally net takers of their contributions to the social sack of dosh.

I blame the whole stay healthy and live to a 100 mantra.
Wtf has it got to do with anyone if I want to eat bad drink bad and smoke.
My time will be early so I will go and have been a net contributer.

We all got it coming for sure.

I remember reading somewhere that even if you work all your working life that on average you use up that working contribution in something like 7-10 years.....with most being closer to 7.....and most of the country don't work all their working years.

Let's hope that coming automation sorts all this out eh.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 May 2018 2.44pm)

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 08 May 18 2.45pm
Originally posted by becky It may not 'solve the issue' per se, but it will get you your deposit on a property. [Link] £160k wouldn't even buy you a studio in London, and £16k is less than half of what you need in up front costs, so no it wouldn't - this is such a half arsed article aimed solely at people who refuse to accept that it wasn't just a bit of 'hard work and grit' when they got on the ladder.
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Originally posted by becky

It may not 'solve the issue' per se, but it will get you your deposit on a property.

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£160k wouldn't even buy you a studio in London, and £16k is less than half of what you need in up front costs, so no it wouldn't - this is such a half arsed article aimed solely at people who refuse to accept that it wasn't just a bit of 'hard work and grit' when they got on the ladder.

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Lyons550 Shirley 08 May 18 2.46pm
Originally posted by Direwolf Can we not just contribute a little more to global warming and thus remove winter itself? Bingo - no need for any payment. Every cloud as they say. Genius How about Euthanasia as well...think of the saving that would be made through that alone Edited by Lyons550 (08 May 2018 2.47pm) The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 08 May 18 2.46pm

Originally posted by Direwolf

Can we not just contribute a little more to global warming and thus remove winter itself? Bingo - no need for any payment. Every cloud as they say.

Genius

How about Euthanasia as well...think of the saving that would be made through that alone

Edited by Lyons550 (08 May 2018 2.47pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 08 May 18 2.46pm
I see no reason why people who have worked hard and been sensible with their money should pay it out to prop up a society that successive governments have managed to mess up.
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I see no reason why people who have worked hard and been sensible with their money should pay it out to prop up a society that successive governments have managed to mess up.

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YT Oxford 08 May 18 2.46pm
Originally posted by cryrst I don't really care for this guys political persuasion. But this policy fits with a certain socialist policy Make everyone equal Either equally poor or equally rich I fear the first would be the outcome. Although pensioners are now generally net takers of their contributions to the social sack of dosh. I blame the whole stay healthy and live to a 100 mantra. Wtf has it got to do with anyone if I want to eat bad drink bad and smoke. My time will be early so I will go and have been a net contributer. We all got it coming for sure. A whole load of problems on this planet have a simple cause. 'Too many people'. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 08 May 18 2.46pm

Originally posted by cryrst

I don't really care for this guys political persuasion.
But this policy fits with a certain socialist policy

Make everyone equal
Either equally poor or equally rich
I fear the first would be the outcome.

Although pensioners are now generally net takers of their contributions to the social sack of dosh.

I blame the whole stay healthy and live to a 100 mantra.
Wtf has it got to do with anyone if I want to eat bad drink bad and smoke.
My time will be early so I will go and have been a net contributer.

We all got it coming for sure.

A whole load of problems on this planet have a simple cause. 'Too many people'.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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YT Oxford 08 May 18 2.49pm
Originally posted by Lyons550 Genius How about Euthanasia as well...think of the saving that would be made through that alone Edited by Lyons550 (08 May 2018 2.47pm) This was the solution in 'Logan's Run' of course, but ultimately certain people failed to appreciate that it was good for them. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Originally posted by Lyons550

Genius

How about Euthanasia as well...think of the saving that would be made through that alone

Edited by Lyons550 (08 May 2018 2.47pm)

This was the solution in 'Logan's Run' of course, but ultimately certain people failed to appreciate that it was good for them.

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Lyons550 Shirley 08 May 18 2.51pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow £160k wouldn't even buy you a studio in London, and £16k is less than half of what you need in up front costs, so no it wouldn't - this is such a half arsed article aimed solely at people who refuse to accept that it wasn't just a bit of 'hard work and grit' when they got on the ladder. Then move out to other parts of the country...it's quite simple. Doing so would also affect the housing market in the south, 1,000's are already moving out. The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 08 May 18 2.51pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

£160k wouldn't even buy you a studio in London, and £16k is less than half of what you need in up front costs, so no it wouldn't - this is such a half arsed article aimed solely at people who refuse to accept that it wasn't just a bit of 'hard work and grit' when they got on the ladder.

Then move out to other parts of the country...it's quite simple. Doing so would also affect the housing market in the south, 1,000's are already moving out.

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Midlands Eagle 08 May 18 2.58pm
Originally posted by Lyons550 Then move out to other parts of the country...it's quite simple. Doing so would also affect the housing market in the south, 1,000's are already moving out. That's an option that doesn't appear to be on many peoples' agendas. I live in the West Midlands / Staffordshire but not out of choice. Many years ago I was offered a job in Newcastle Upon Tyne so moved up there and seven or eight years later an opportunity arose in South Devon so we moved again and stayed there for six years until relocating to Staffordshire 20 years ago following a job offer
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Originally posted by Lyons550

Then move out to other parts of the country...it's quite simple. Doing so would also affect the housing market in the south, 1,000's are already moving out.

That's an option that doesn't appear to be on many peoples' agendas.

I live in the West Midlands / Staffordshire but not out of choice. Many years ago I was offered a job in Newcastle Upon Tyne so moved up there and seven or eight years later an opportunity arose in South Devon so we moved again and stayed there for six years until relocating to Staffordshire 20 years ago following a job offer

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Hrolf The Ganger 08 May 18 3.03pm
Originally posted by YT A whole load of problems on this planet have a simple cause. 'Too many people'. Exactly. We in Europe listened to our governments, cut family sizes and have the women going out to work. What have we got in return? Millions of immigrants arriving on our doorstep, huge mortgages, declining health care and no state money for retirement. Increasing population puts pressure on everything. It will only get much worse. Time to ditch this model and recognise that we need to shrink the population of Britain by reducing immigration to a trickle, address the problems with excessive mortgages payments so that some of that money can go back to supporting the ageing population. Far too much money ends up in the pockets of the super rich while the rest of us live in the steadily decaying shell that Europe is becoming. It's no good taxing people who are a bit better off when most of the money is with 1% of the population. They can contribute far more and barely notice. That is as 'socialist' as I'm gonna get.
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08 May 18 3.03pm

Originally posted by YT

A whole load of problems on this planet have a simple cause. 'Too many people'.

Exactly.

We in Europe listened to our governments, cut family sizes and have the women going out to work.

What have we got in return?

Millions of immigrants arriving on our doorstep, huge mortgages, declining health care and no state money for retirement. Increasing population puts pressure on everything. It will only get much worse.

Time to ditch this model and recognise that we need to shrink the population of Britain by reducing immigration to a trickle, address the problems with excessive mortgages payments so that some of that money can go back to supporting the ageing population.
Far too much money ends up in the pockets of the super rich while the rest of us live in the steadily decaying shell that Europe is becoming.
It's no good taxing people who are a bit better off when most of the money is with 1% of the population. They can contribute far more and barely notice.

That is as 'socialist' as I'm gonna get.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 08 May 18 3.06pm
Originally posted by Lyons550 Then move out to other parts of the country...it's quite simple. Doing so would also affect the housing market in the south, 1,000's are already moving out. I'm fortunate enough to be fairly well employed in London, not to mention I grew up here and it's still where all of my friends and family live - I would consider moving in the future, if it lined up with career/family plans, but in the short to medium term, it's not really an option.
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SE19 08 May 18 3.06pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

Then move out to other parts of the country...it's quite simple. Doing so would also affect the housing market in the south, 1,000's are already moving out.

I'm fortunate enough to be fairly well employed in London, not to mention I grew up here and it's still where all of my friends and family live - I would consider moving in the future, if it lined up with career/family plans, but in the short to medium term, it's not really an option.

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Lyons550 Shirley 08 May 18 3.10pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle That's an option that doesn't appear to be on many peoples' agendas. I live in the West Midlands / Staffordshire but not out of choice. Many years ago I was offered a job in Newcastle Upon Tyne so moved up there and seven or eight years later an opportunity arose in South Devon so we moved again and stayed there for six years until relocating to Staffordshire 20 years ago following a job offer Agreed, i'm looking at it myself at the moment (ventured up North for a rekkie 2 weeks back). With communications giving us far greater felxibility in when and where we work it's no longer a given that people 'have' to be in London...that's just pure bollox The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 08 May 18 3.10pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

That's an option that doesn't appear to be on many peoples' agendas.

Agreed, i'm looking at it myself at the moment (ventured up North for a rekkie 2 weeks back). With communications giving us far greater felxibility in when and where we work it's no longer a given that people 'have' to be in London...that's just pure bollox

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Stirlingsays 08 May 18 3.13pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I see no reason why people who have worked hard and been sensible with their money should pay it out to prop up a society that successive governments have managed to mess up. Well yeah, if it's a private pension. Otherwise the money is coming from the state....especially once people have used up their contribution.....which is surprisingly quickly. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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08 May 18 3.13pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I see no reason why people who have worked hard and been sensible with their money should pay it out to prop up a society that successive governments have managed to mess up.

Well yeah, if it's a private pension.

Otherwise the money is coming from the state....especially once people have used up their contribution.....which is surprisingly quickly.

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